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ronnywhite
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Posted - 10/06/2005 :  11:35:34   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send ronnywhite a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by pleco

Bush says they share the same views - so I'm worried.
She is a fundie-sleeper cell, waiting for activation.



Is pleco correct? Using the modern ANSI unit of skepticism (the Rove) I give it 50 milliRoves (let's recall the scale:)

1000 milliRoves "Pure Unadulterated Bull"
750 milliRoves "Seriously Doubt It"
500 milliRoves "Toss Up, (or) "I'm Clueless"
250 milliRoves "Pretty Damn Sure"
0 milliRoves "Mathematical Certainty"

Footnote: Most humans become symptomatic when exposed to over 100 Roves in an hour, but some subsectors (e.g. rightwing radio listeners) have an amazing tolerance, or inexplicable immunity, to Rove toxicity.

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filthy
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Posted - 10/06/2005 :  12:04:53   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by pleco

Bush says they share the same views - so I'm worried.
She is a fundie-sleeper cell, waiting for activation.

Hmm, yes...

The more I read about her, the less savory she becomes.
quote:
Miers' Church Website Altered Recently, Statements on Abortion & Homosexuality Removed
For 25 years, Supreme Court nominee Harriet Miers has attended the evangelical Valley View Christian Church in Dallas, Texas. Conservatives have pointed to her church ties as evidence of her ideological underpinnings, and the Los Angeles Times noted today that Miers has left “little evidence of her own values and convictions, beyond her commitment to her church.”

As TNR notes, the Valley View website features a list of theological principles held by church leaders and parishioners. For instance, one reads, “We believe in the universal Church, the living spiritual body, of which Christ is the Head and all born again persons are members.”

But according to a Google cache retrieved earlier this summer (link | screenshot), the list was altered recently to remove statements on four controversial issues that may come before the Court: abortion, homosexuality, evolution/creation, and euthanasia. Here are the four:


There is a conjecture floating around that Bush nominated her just in case he might need an SC decision to keep his treasonous ass out of jail. Dunno the fact of it though.


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"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres


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GeeMack
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Posted - 10/06/2005 :  16:30:25   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send GeeMack a Private Message
Okay, if anyone had even a shred of doubt left, when Harriet gets endorsements like this, well, this pretty much says it all...
quote:
Dr. Jerry Falwell Backing Harriet Miers for Supreme Court...

Dr. Jerry Falwell, during an appearance in Chattanooga on Wednesday night, said he backs Harriet Miers for the U.S. Supreme Court.

Speaking to a gathering of Baptist ministers at the annual Southwide Baptist Fellowship at Highland Park Baptist Church, he said he stood behind President George W. Bush in supporting his second nominee to the Supreme Court.
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Randy
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Posted - 10/06/2005 :  17:36:09   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Randy a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by GeeMack

Okay, if anyone had even a shred of doubt left, when Harriet gets endorsements like this, well, this pretty much says it all...
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Dr. Jerry Falwell Backing Harriet Miers for Supreme Court...

Dr. Jerry Falwell, during an appearance in Chattanooga on Wednesday night, said he backs Harriet Miers for the U.S. Supreme Court.

Speaking to a gathering of Baptist ministers at the annual Southwide Baptist Fellowship at Highland Park Baptist Church, he said he stood behind President George W. Bush in supporting his second nominee to the Supreme Court.




Fartwell's partner in crime, Pat "Dumbo" Robertson, says about the same thing...
http://www.patrobertson.com/PressReleases/miers.asp

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ronnywhite
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Posted - 10/06/2005 :  20:51:17   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send ronnywhite a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Randy
Fartwell's partner in crime, Pat "Dumbo" Robertson, says about the same thing...
http://www.patrobertson.com/PressReleases/miers.asp



Putting it facetiously, if the proportion of Supreme Court Justices who spend their weekends pounding bibles, and handling serpents at services where someone's feigning pulling chicken gizzards out of people reflects the American public's preferences as to how they want to live, I have nothing to gripe about. In the unlikely event Jerry or Pat spoke with me, they might tell me something to the effect of "Well, if you guys had it your way, Bush would appoint all SCICOP justices, right? Does THAT represent the American people?" and he might have a point. I get the feeling, though, after having a taste of the former and the latter, most people wouldn't like an ultra-conservative country.


Oh, yea... and I'd watch over my shoulder for their security guards when I left.

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beskeptigal
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Posted - 10/07/2005 :  00:48:32   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send beskeptigal a Private Message
I can only hope Miss Miers' resume which lists being the State Lottery Commissioner as one of her biggest jobs outside of White house Counsel will jar memories of a certain Arabian Horse Judging Commissioner fiasco and get a few Republicans to reject this woman. She belongs to an Evangelical church and is a Bush crony. This is not the person we need to appoint to the Supreme Court.

I was a bit more neutral about Roberts because he did seem to at least be qualified. There's no way this woman is.
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filthy
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Posted - 10/07/2005 :  01:35:52   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message
There exists a possibility that this could be one of the shortest nominations on record.
quote:
The White House moved to contain a continuing revolt among conservatives on Thursday over President George W. Bush's selection of Harriet Miers for the Supreme Court, with some conservatives saying that Miers could withdraw.

White House officials countered that the idea was preposterous and that they were now focusing their efforts on the Senate floor.

"There's frustration because people don't know Harriet and they have all these questions," said Ed Gillespie, the former Republican Party chairman who is shepherding Miers through her Senate hearings and who was battered by angry conservatives at a meeting this week.

Gillespie planned television appearances to talk up Miers on CNN, CBS and Fox News later Thursday


"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)

"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres


"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude

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filthy
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Posted - 10/07/2005 :  02:36:48   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message
Just stumbled across this and it is so appropriate!



Edit: Forgot to give credit where it is due. Found the 'toon at Eschaton.


"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)

"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres


"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude

Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,

and Crypto-Communist!

Edited by - filthy on 10/07/2005 03:39:37
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beskeptigal
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Posted - 10/07/2005 :  11:56:38   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send beskeptigal a Private Message
Love that cartoon. That is a classic!!!!
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Siberia
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Posted - 10/07/2005 :  11:59:37   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Siberia's Homepage  Send Siberia an AOL message  Send Siberia a Yahoo! Message Send Siberia a Private Message
It is quite offensive for the My Little Ponies, though...

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filthy
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Posted - 10/07/2005 :  13:15:45   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message
The Harriet Miers saga has everything: Republican consternation, Democrat confusion, pundit panic, and the demented laughter you hear each time a new chapter opens, is mine!
quote:
A Self-Inflicted Wound
Bush's nomination of Harriet Miers is a miscalculation that could cost him dearly. Can she still win confirmation?

WEB-EXCLUSIVE COMMENTARY
By Eleanor Clift
Newsweek
Updated: 3:05 p.m. ET Oct. 7, 2005
Oct. 7, 2005 - A good makeup artist could have erased those dark circles under Harriet Miers's eyes as she appeared before the cameras to accept President Bush's nomination to the Supreme Court last Monday. Described by White House aides as Bush's “work wife,” she spent so many hours toiling in the West Wing that colleagues once thought her red Mercedes had been abandoned in the parking lot.

Dutiful she is, but Supreme Court material she is not. Before taking over as White House counsel earlier this year, she was staff secretary, a position of so little consequence it's not even depicted on “The West Wing,” the fictional TV drama about White House life. Miers put in long hours and was the last person to put paper on the president's desk, but she wasn't mulling over constitutional issues.


And:
quote:
Conservatives gagged and liberals gasped when Bush said with a straight face in the Rose Garden that Miers was the most qualified person he could find. More evidence they're drinking Kool-Aid in the White House: David Frum, a former White House speechwriter, reported on his blog that Miers once told him that Bush was “the most brilliant man she'd ever met.” What will happen when she has a conversation with Justice Antonin Scalia? Will her head explode?

Bush apparatchiks fanned out on Capitol Hill and around town to quell the insurgency. Former Republican National Committee chairman Ed Gillespie met with a buzz saw when he briefed Senate aides. “Normally everyone lines up and people say you're great and it's really easy,” says a participant. Instead there was defiance. “You don't know what you're talking about … Don't expect us to roll over,” they barked at Gillespie, who inflamed the situation when he suggested the attacks on Miers contained “a whiff of sexism and a whiff of elitism.” Bush probably thinks this is all about sticking it to the Ivy League establishment by sending them a graduate of Southern Methodist University.



Furthermore:
quote:
Brownback's ambivalence reflects how unsettled the nomination remains. Republican senators are getting bombarded with calls,” says a GOP consultant. “For the first time in a long time a real grass-roots movement is happening. This goes beyond the pooh-bahs in Washington, and it's all about '06 and not having the base fall asleep or go for a walk.” Conservatives wanted a voice on the high court, an intellectual force who could shape opinion and bring others along. There's no evidence that Miers is of that caliber. “Harriet's [confirmation] hearing really matters,” says Scott Reed, who managed Bob Dole's presidential campaign. “Roberts hit it out of the park that first night. It was over after that; the rest was going through the motions. How she does will make or break this nomination.”

Miers was in law school before Roe v Wade was handed down. “There's been a revolution in constitutional law in the 30 years since her time in law school,” says Karen O'Connor, founder of the Women & Politics Institute at American U

"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)

"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres


"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude

Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,

and Crypto-Communist!

Edited by - filthy on 10/07/2005 13:18:55
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