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Robb
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 Posted - 12/07/2005 : 11:13:11 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by moakley
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Originally posted by Robb
Discussion is a good thing, and I don't care what anyone calls the Bible (smut, nonsense, superstition, whatever). The problem I have is that giving out pornography will not make peoples lives any better.
I happen to agree. I believe that all of the objectionable verses in the bible should be removed prior to any further printings.
You seem to be implying that I advocate sensureship. I never said that they did not have the right to pass it out only that it is inappropriate. |
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Robb
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Posted - 12/07/2005 : 11:20:42 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by GeeMack
quote]Here's a thought. If you're scared that looking at pornography might make you feel so good you'll want to do it over and over again, don't look at it, Robb! 
That would be great if I could! When I go to a mall I see innapropriate clothed women on billboards, in stores, on TV, I get adds sent ot my house with mostly naked women in the adds. You cannot just say don't look when it is everywhere in public places.
I will try to find some studies on porn addiction that are not religious in nature. |
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Valiant Dancer
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Posted - 12/07/2005 : 11:23:09 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Robb
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Originally posted by moakley
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Originally posted by Robb
Discussion is a good thing, and I don't care what anyone calls the Bible (smut, nonsense, superstition, whatever). The problem I have is that giving out pornography will not make peoples lives any better.
I happen to agree. I believe that all of the objectionable verses in the bible should be removed prior to any further printings.
You seem to be implying that I advocate sensureship. I never said that they did not have the right to pass it out only that it is inappropriate.
In this case, they even made sure that they obeyed the law to the letter.
http://www.atheistagenda.org/porno-for-bibles/
Here, you can see their original flyer where they clearly state that the people who can exchange smutty books for smutty books must be of legal age and show ID to prove it. Just like any other adult book store.
as such, this is an exchange by adults. No children were harmed during this stunt. |
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Robb
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Posted - 12/07/2005 : 11:27:10 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by H. Humbert
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We [Men Against Pornography (MAP), an organization that believes that pornography is an ill and that it should be banned] estimate that there's a 70% addiction rate of pornography in America.
If 70% of all people do something, wouldn't that be evidence that the behavior is "normal?"
http://atheism.about.com/b/a/039172.htm
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,177355,00.html
Would you conclude that belief in god is normal from these statistics? |
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Valiant Dancer
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Posted - 12/07/2005 : 11:47:17 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Robb
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Originally posted by H. Humbert
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We [Men Against Pornography (MAP), an organization that believes that pornography is an ill and that it should be banned] estimate that there's a 70% addiction rate of pornography in America.
If 70% of all people do something, wouldn't that be evidence that the behavior is "normal?"
http://atheism.about.com/b/a/039172.htm
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,177355,00.html
Would you conclude that belief in god is normal from these statistics?
I would say that it would be normal, but I'm not assigning it as a societal ill, either. |
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Robb
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Posted - 12/07/2005 : 13:23:04 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Valiant Dancer
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Originally posted by Robb
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Originally posted by H. Humbert
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We [Men Against Pornography (MAP), an organization that believes that pornography is an ill and that it should be banned] estimate that there's a 70% addiction rate of pornography in America.
If 70% of all people do something, wouldn't that be evidence that the behavior is "normal?"
http://atheism.about.com/b/a/039172.htm
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,177355,00.html
Would you conclude that belief in god is normal from these statistics?
I would say that it would be normal, but I'm not assigning it as a societal ill, either.
Some here do. |
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Robb
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Posted - 12/07/2005 : 13:26:36 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Valiant Dancer
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Originally posted by Robb
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Originally posted by moakley
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Originally posted by Robb
Discussion is a good thing, and I don't care what anyone calls the Bible (smut, nonsense, superstition, whatever). The problem I have is that giving out pornography will not make peoples lives any better.
I happen to agree. I believe that all of the objectionable verses in the bible should be removed prior to any further printings.
You seem to be implying that I advocate sensureship. I never said that they did not have the right to pass it out only that it is inappropriate.
In this case, they even made sure that they obeyed the law to the letter.
http://www.atheistagenda.org/porno-for-bibles/
Here, you can see their original flyer where they clearly state that the people who can exchange smutty books for smutty books must be of legal age and show ID to prove it. Just like any other adult book store.
as such, this is an exchange by adults. No children were harmed during this stunt.
It may be legal, but that does not make it morally right. I would never want a law passed that made it illegal for adults to trade porn. Having said that, I would advocate that they do not do so. |
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Hawks
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Posted - 12/07/2005 : 13:54:19 [Permalink]
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http://atheism.about.com/b/a/039172.htm
Those are very interesting numbers. Although 79 percent of Americans believe there is a God, only 66 percent are absolutely certain of it - that means that 11 percent of the population are atheists and 44 percent are agnostics. Much, much more than people usually assume!
Have my maths skills gone totally out the window? I just can't get this to add up. (Leaving aside their definitions of atheist and agnostic)
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Valiant Dancer
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Posted - 12/07/2005 : 14:25:18 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Hawks
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http://atheism.about.com/b/a/039172.htm
Those are very interesting numbers. Although 79 percent of Americans believe there is a God, only 66 percent are absolutely certain of it - that means that 11 percent of the population are atheists and 44 percent are agnostics. Much, much more than people usually assume!
Have my maths skills gone totally out the window? I just can't get this to add up. (Leaving aside their definitions of atheist and agnostic)
Nope. 79% + 11% = 90% + 44% = 134%
Your math skills are fine.
13% of the population (the difference between theists and certain belief) are theistic agnostics. 21% are a combination of Buddhaists and atheists. (Buddhaism lacks a god belief)
The numbers don't quite mesh. |
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Valiant Dancer
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Posted - 12/07/2005 : 14:27:19 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Robb
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Originally posted by Valiant Dancer
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Originally posted by Robb
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Originally posted by moakley
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Originally posted by Robb
Discussion is a good thing, and I don't care what anyone calls the Bible (smut, nonsense, superstition, whatever). The problem I have is that giving out pornography will not make peoples lives any better.
I happen to agree. I believe that all of the objectionable verses in the bible should be removed prior to any further printings.
You seem to be implying that I advocate sensureship. I never said that they did not have the right to pass it out only that it is inappropriate.
In this case, they even made sure that they obeyed the law to the letter.
http://www.atheistagenda.org/porno-for-bibles/
Here, you can see their original flyer where they clearly state that the people who can exchange smutty books for smutty books must be of legal age and show ID to prove it. Just like any other adult book store.
as such, this is an exchange by adults. No children were harmed during this stunt.
It may be legal, but that does not make it morally right. I would never want a law passed that made it illegal for adults to trade porn. Having said that, I would advocate that they do not do so.
Morality is different across faiths and even subsects of faith. I acknowledge that it violates your moral code, but it does not violate mine. |
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Valiant Dancer
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Posted - 12/07/2005 : 14:30:29 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Robb
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Originally posted by Valiant Dancer
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Originally posted by Robb
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Originally posted by H. Humbert
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We [Men Against Pornography (MAP), an organization that believes that pornography is an ill and that it should be banned] estimate that there's a 70% addiction rate of pornography in America.
If 70% of all people do something, wouldn't that be evidence that the behavior is "normal?"
http://atheism.about.com/b/a/039172.htm
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,177355,00.html
Would you conclude that belief in god is normal from these statistics?
I would say that it would be normal, but I'm not assigning it as a societal ill, either.
Some here do.
Since they are in the extreme minority, are you at all in danger of being oppressed or forcibly prevented from practicing your faith by them?
I guess I'm not quite seeing what the significance of some people here being actively anti-theistic is. |
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GeeMack
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Posted - 12/07/2005 : 14:39:25 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Robb...quote:
Originally posted by H. Humbert...
If 70% of all people do something, wouldn't that be evidence that the behavior is "normal?"
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Would you conclude that belief in god is normal from these statistics?
I might be wrong here, but I think H. Humbert was making fun of the ridiculously high percentage rate, a clear (and completely unsupported) exaggeration on the part of the guilt-and-shame monger who tossed out that number in the quoted interview.quote:
Originally posted by Robb...quote:
Originally posted by me...
Here's a thought. If you're scared that looking at pornography might make you feel so good you'll want to do it over and over again, don't look at it, Robb!
That would be great if I could! When I go to a mall I see innapropriate clothed women on billboards, in stores, on TV, I get adds sent ot my house with mostly naked women in the adds. You cannot just say don't look when it is everywhere in public places.
You've made it clear that you have a problem with pornography, if only in your lack of understanding what pornography is. I was kidding when I suggested counseling earlier in this thread, but if you can't look at a billboard or an underwear or swimsuit advertisement without becoming sexually aroused and feeling shame, it seems likely you do need some help. In your case, counselors not affiliated with a church would probably be just as capable of recognizing that as a problem, and might be more inclined to actually help you without heaping on more shame and guilt.quote:
Originally posted by Robb...quote:
Originally posted by Valiant Dancer...
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Here, you can see their original flyer where they clearly state that the people who can exchange smutty books for smutty books must be of legal age and show ID to prove it. Just like any other adult book store.
It may be legal, but that does not make it morally right. I would never want a law passed that made it illegal for adults to trade porn. Having said that, I would advocate that they do not do so.
You do realize, of course, that Valiant Dancer was referring to that filthy book you call the bible as one of those smutty books you consider morally wrong for adults to trade.
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woolytoad
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Posted - 12/07/2005 : 15:06:22 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Robb
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Originally posted by Valiant Dancer
I would say that it would be normal, but I'm not assigning it as a societal ill, either.
Some here do.
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R.Wreck
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Posted - 12/08/2005 : 19:32:32 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Robb:
That would be great if I could! When I go to a mall I see innapropriate clothed women on billboards, in stores, on TV, I get adds sent ot my house with mostly naked women in the adds. You cannot just say don't look when it is everywhere in public places.
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The foundation of morality is to . . . give up pretending to believe that for which there is no evidence, and repeating unintelligible propositions about things beyond the possibliities of knowledge.
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Robb
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Posted - 12/10/2005 : 12:45:20 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Valiant Dancer
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Originally posted by Robb
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Originally posted by Valiant Dancer
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Originally posted by Robb
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Originally posted by H. Humbert
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We [Men Against Pornography (MAP), an organization that believes that pornography is an ill and that it should be banned] estimate that there's a 70% addiction rate of pornography in America.
If 70% of all people do something, wouldn't that be evidence that the behavior is "normal?"
http://atheism.about.com/b/a/039172.htm
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,177355,00.html
Would you conclude that belief in god is normal from these statistics?
I would say that it would be normal, but I'm not assigning it as a societal ill, either.
Some here do.
Since they are in the extreme minority, are you at all in danger of being oppressed or forcibly prevented from practicing your faith by them?
I guess I'm not quite seeing what the significance of some people here being actively anti-theistic is.
Extreme minority is not quite accurate. I have read here that religion is everything from a mental problem to being harmful to society. I was once told that I was abusing my kids by teaching them about Jesus. And no it does not affect my faith or practicing of my faith. I was only pointing out that some here do feel that religion is bad for society. |
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