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Dude
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Vomited forth from the pustulent hate hole of Bill:
Of coarse this would be against God's intent and unnatural, but God created man as a sovereign being with the ability to choose to do right and wrong, rather then making us robots will no freewill.
Granting you, for the next two paragraphs only, the existance of your god.
Bill, you are, of course, aware that one of the things an omnipotent being cannot do (and remain omnipotent) is grant its ceation true free will.
So, either we don't have free will or we do and your god is no longer relevent to how we choose to excercise that free will.
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Yes Dude, morels can be cultivated and spawn kits can be purchased. But as far as I know, they have never been successfully grown as commercial operation. As I am a little too lame to do a lot of running through the woods with a basket, but not too much so that I can't scratch around a shady garden, it seems ideal.
Nice. I'm going to have to do some reading up on this I think.
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R.Wreck
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Posted - 02/12/2006 : 11:06:04 [Permalink]
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Jeez, Bill, why are you so concerned with who does what with whose meat in the bedroom? When did the private lawful actions of any two or more people become your concern? Your claim that your god is against this behavior is ludicrous. If it is so offensive to your god, then why does it keep making so many people who feel the need to express their feelings with members of their own gender. As long as they are consenting adults, then what they do in the sack (or on the kitchen table for all I care) is their own business. Just because you don't swing that way does not mean that you can deny those who do the same rights as everyone else in the society.
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 02/12/2006 : 14:04:41 [Permalink]
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Yes Dude, morels can be cultivated and spawn kits can be purchased. But as far as I know, they have never been successfully grown as commercial operation. As I am a little too lame to do a lot of running through the woods with a basket, but not too much so that I can't scratch around a shady garden, it seems ideal.
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Nice. I'm going to have to do some reading up on this I think.
Did a little more reading on it and it seems that the spawn kits are some sort of hybrid. Mayhap I spoke too soon.
Here's" a site selling the kits. I'm going to try it, anyway.
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 02/12/2006 : 22:25:30 [Permalink]
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Did a little more reading on it and it seems that the spawn kits are some sort of hybrid. Mayhap I spoke too soon.
Here's" a site selling the kits. I'm going to try it, anyway
Yeah, I found that same site. I will probably be giving that a shot as well. Prob buy a couple of those and see if I can get them going on a small patch of timber my dad has up in IL when I visit this spring. Plenty of dead elms to maybe increase the chances of getting some shrooms.
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Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson
"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin
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Valiant Dancer
Forum Goalie
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Posted - 02/13/2006 : 07:32:31 [Permalink]
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That's right, Bill. Deny the pairbonding issue and instead bring up the same tired "procreation" argument.
(bill)Pair bonding issue? What pair bonding issue?
The one I have repeatedly been making concerning the role of sex. Sex in humans deepens emotional ties with people considered to be mates.
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Procreation is only part of the equasion.
(bill) Procreation is the equation, without it civilization dies!
I realize that you need this to be true for your own position to be the least bit valid. Problem is, reality does not follow this model.
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That you strictly adhere to it in the case of homosexuals but abandon it freely in the case of sterile people shows much about your argument.
(bill) Straw man. Has nothing to do with weather or not the deity, or NS, designed the male and female to be reproducing agents of the race. Why would the designing agent create procreation through heterosexual if his, or it's, intention all along was for man/man to raise the children? Or women/women?
No, Bill. It isn't a strawman. It goes to the heart of intent. Sex is not only for procreation. It is also for strenghting emotional ties for pairbonding.
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You know the "natural intent" of the deity. That means knowing the mind of God, Bill. No matter how you want to deny yourself out of this theological corner you've backed yourself into, you can't. I won't give a shit. God nailed to stick says in the Bible that he takes a dim view of false prophets.
(bill) Another straw man. Knowing God's intent, and knowing God's mind are indeed two very different things.
Bill: I know God's intent.
Skeptic: Prove it.
Bill: God's intent for whitetail bucks is that they have racks.
Skeptic: Prove it.
Bill: See that whitetail buck over there by the woods?
Skeptic: Yes.
Bill: Well, it has a rack, there for I know it was God's intent for the buck to have a rack.
In that sense, I say that God's, or NS's, intent was to procreate through the man and women because, that is how procreation happens. And honestly, would the creating agent design procreation through man and women only if that is not who the intent was to raise them? Man and women have been the structure for all of civilization, from the dawn of the age….
Mighty interesting shift on "intent", Bill. You take a outwardly obvious physical trait which has social and physical function and ascribe the intent of the Creator that it have such a trait. Can you say affirming the consequent, Bill? How about the usage of the rack for defense and vying for mates?
Laughably, you claim to know the specific intent of a Creator in the way of human sex but only focus on the procreation part. You completely and pointedly ignore emotional pairbonding issues. You would need to to prevent any sort of validation for the suggestion that homosexual sex would also be the intent of the Creator since it happens in over 50 distinct |
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Valiant Dancer
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Posted - 02/13/2006 : 07:34:44 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Bill Scott...
God intended beavers to have flat tails. I know this because beavers have flat tails.
You also know your god intended some people to have mates of their own gender. You know this because some people have mates of their own gender. You sure did come up with a simple way to solve your own problem there, Bill. 
You also know your god intended some people to have mates of their own gender. You know this because some people have mates of their own gender. You sure did come up with a simple way to solve your own problem there, Bill.
Yours is an easy one gee. Homosexuality is a sovereign act of the will committed by one or more consenting individuals. The beaver having a flat tail is a physical trait, and the beaver has no say in the matter, which is designed by the original creating agent, weather that be NS, or the deity take your pick, gee...
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