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ergo123
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Posted - 10/10/2006 :  19:13:54   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send ergo123 a Private Message
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Originally posted by Neurosis

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Originally posted by ergo123

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Originally posted by H. Humbert

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Originally posted by ergo123
Sure, a lot of things work out the way you want when you make up the definitions of the words you use...

Ahaha! He gives you the dictionary link and you still accuse him of making things up. Or were you finally admitting fault?

Yeah, I didn't think so.





Did you try the link? It's not to his definition.



It is my definition. I will admit that I added the "in the face of contrary evidence" but that part has yet to come into play anyway. I said that only to cover religious faith which you are talking about. Even you must admit that faith in the Adam and Eve story is to overlook all of our geological and zoological and anthrolological evidence.

Regardless, the definition is accurate in the two cases brought up. And BTW people use words with an implied definition. I was only clarifying what I consider faith for the benefit of this discussion. Can you show my definition to be wrong? Oh, that's right you don't rely on logic or provide evidence for the claims you make.



That makes it not your definition... unless you have redefined the word "my!"

No witty quotes. I think for myself.
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Neurosis
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Posted - 10/10/2006 :  21:03:40   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Neurosis an AOL message Send Neurosis a Private Message
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Originally posted by ergo123

quote:
Originally posted by Neurosis

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Originally posted by ergo123

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Originally posted by H. Humbert

quote:
Originally posted by ergo123
Sure, a lot of things work out the way you want when you make up the definitions of the words you use...

Ahaha! He gives you the dictionary link and you still accuse him of making things up. Or were you finally admitting fault?

Yeah, I didn't think so.





Did you try the link? It's not to his definition.



It is my definition. I will admit that I added the "in the face of contrary evidence" but that part has yet to come into play anyway. I said that only to cover religious faith which you are talking about. Even you must admit that faith in the Adam and Eve story is to overlook all of our geological and zoological and anthrolological evidence.

Regardless, the definition is accurate in the two cases brought up. And BTW people use words with an implied definition. I was only clarifying what I consider faith for the benefit of this discussion. Can you show my definition to be wrong? Oh, that's right you don't rely on logic or provide evidence for the claims you make.



That makes it not your definition... unless you have redefined the word "my!"



I did not say I wrote the definition, you said that I did. I said that the definition I am using is the one I provided (coupled with defintion 4) I take your silence to mean that you do not have any criticism of me using that definition of faith. Also, you have not refuted my points and have not provided any reasoning for your assertions.

Bottom line faith has the word believe built in. Therefore, non-belief takes no faith. Also, few people will assert that they disbelieve in something that cannot be proven false. Those who do rarely mean it in an absolute way.

An atheist is just an a-theist. The "a" prefix should be taken as being used in this sense:

http://www.medterms.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=39917

Where it would mean without or lacking. Therefore, an atheist is one who simply lacks the characteristics of a theist. That is not to say they must disbelieve in God(s). If we were to use the prefix in consideration of anoxia (without Oxygen) there can be any other gases present. It does not mean that CO2 must be present (but in the body surely it is). Likewise, disbelief does not have to be present in one who simply does not believe.

Facts! Pssh, you can prove anything even remotely true with facts.
- Homer Simpson

[God] is an infinite nothing from nowhere with less power over our universe than the secretary of agriculture.
- Prof. Frink

Lisa: Yes, but wouldn't you rather know the truth than to delude yourself for happiness?
Marge: Well... um.... [goes outside to jump on tampoline with Homer.]
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ergo123
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Posted - 10/10/2006 :  21:19:35   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send ergo123 a Private Message
Take my silence to mean "I'm doing something else."

YOu are the one who admitted to adding to the definition you cite. And in your original post, you say you are using definition 2; now it is coupled with definition 4.

Tell you what. You go back and check your work and come back tomorrow and we can just pretend your screw-up on the definition never happened today.

And what's with the discussion of an atheist. I said "It takes as much faith to assume there is no god as it does to assume there is one." If you want to pick at what I said, have at it. But stop with all the other crap you bring it. It's a waste of cyberspace.

No witty quotes. I think for myself.
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Dr. Mabuse
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Posted - 10/11/2006 :  11:50:02   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Dr. Mabuse an ICQ Message Send Dr. Mabuse a Private Message
Guys, you're wandering off of the discussion about the fence sitting article.

Dr. Mabuse - "When the going gets tough, the tough get Duct-tape..."
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"Equivocation is not just a job, for a creationist it's a way of life..." Dr. Mabuse

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Neurosis
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Posted - 10/11/2006 :  12:46:12   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Neurosis an AOL message Send Neurosis a Private Message
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Originally posted by ergo123

Take my silence to mean "I'm doing something else."

YOu are the one who admitted to adding to the definition you cite. And in your original post, you say you are using definition 2; now it is coupled with definition 4.

Tell you what. You go back and check your work and come back tomorrow and we can just pretend your screw-up on the definition never happened today.

And what's with the discussion of an atheist. I said "It takes as much faith to assume there is no god as it does to assume there is one." If you want to pick at what I said, have at it. But stop with all the other crap you bring it. It's a waste of cyberspace.



Yes, I did admit using two seperate definitions in two seperate contexts. Then I even took time out to address the mistake. Some people can admit their mistakes.

Dr. Mabuse is right we are straying.

Facts! Pssh, you can prove anything even remotely true with facts.
- Homer Simpson

[God] is an infinite nothing from nowhere with less power over our universe than the secretary of agriculture.
- Prof. Frink

Lisa: Yes, but wouldn't you rather know the truth than to delude yourself for happiness?
Marge: Well... um.... [goes outside to jump on tampoline with Homer.]
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