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verlch
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Posted - 06/03/2006 :  00:05:03  Show Profile  Send verlch an AOL message Send verlch a Private Message
http://www.globalfreemasonry.com/global_freemasonry_05.html

I read what I did and I liked it.

It makes sense, being that Darwin's granddaddy was a Master Mason.

Dave, you stated you are not of the brethren, is that correct. Is anybody here, present one, maybe you can illuminate my ears as to this doctrine I've found.


Edited by - verlch on 06/03/2006 14:35:30

Ricky
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The essence of Darwin's theory of evolution is the claim that, under purely natural conditions, lifeless matter spontaneously brought forth the first living things, and that from them, again under these same conditions, all other species developed merely by chance. In other words, the theory of evolution proposes the existence of a self-contained system, that has organized itself without a creator, and spontaneously brings living things into being. This idea, that nature organizes itself without a creator, is called "naturalism."


Sigh...

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filthy
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Masons again, is it? I really am impressed; you've come up with a site even more full of shit that ever.
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The materialist and evolutionist ideas adopted by Masonic organizations such as the Rosicrucians or the Ikhwan as-Safa', expressed secretly, but most often symbolically, became more open as the Catholic Church's social power weakened in Europe. As a result, these pagan teachings, which had gone underground for about 1,000 years because of the political and intellectual dominance of Christianity, came into vogue again among thinkers in seventeenth- and eighteenth-century Europe.

That period in which materialist and evolutionist ideas gained widespread acceptance in European society, and influenced it in distancing itself from religion, is known as the Enlightenment. Surely, those who selected this word (that is those who characterized this change of ideas positively as a move into the light) were the leaders of this deviation. They described the earlier period as the "Dark Age" and blamed religion for it, claiming that Europe became enlightened when it was secularized and held religion at a distance. This biased and false perspective is still today one of the basic propaganda mechanisms of those who oppose religion.


Fundamentalist religion in all of it's forms is the perpetuation of ignorance. If it were left up the the churches, we'd still be having heresy trials.

I don't recall any mention of the theory of evolution being a Masonic icon. Where do you fundies get these ideas, anyway?

The link is little more than a pretty well written rant against society, science and the Masons, filled with hand-waving and unsupported statements, and worth opening mainly for amusement. Same ol', same ol', really, just better stated.

Y'see, science doesn't acknowledge any gods simply because by their very nature, gods cannot be tested. And if X number of scientists are also Masons, so what? "By their works shall ye know them." Thus, nobody cares about Louis Pasture's spiritual beliefs, only his final accomplishments. We are healthier today because of them and the church(s) had nothing to do with it.

Was Pasture a Mason? Does anybody outside of the lunatic fringe care, one way or the other?

I'd join the Masons, but they won't accept atheists. I suppose I could lie about it, but that seems a lot of bother for little gain.

No, I take it back; I wouldn't join them. I have an antipathy for mumbo-jumbo in all of it's ridiculous forms.





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Pernicious
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Posted - 06/03/2006 :  02:26:18   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Pernicious a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by verlch

http://www.globalfreemasonry.com/global_freemasonry_05.html

I read what I did and I liked it.

It makes sense, being that Darwin's granddaddy was a Master Mason.

Dave, you stated you are not of the brethren, is that correct. Is anybody here, present one, maybe you can illuminate my ears as to this doctrine I've found.



Yep, you're onto us, we're all Freemasons, out to take over the world and wage war against the Christians. Damn. We're busted.

Why not just look at it as a scientific theory, and debate it as such? Throwing out the conspiracy crap won't get you very far here.

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Dr. Mabuse
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Sweden
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Posted - 06/03/2006 :  02:56:59   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Dr. Mabuse an ICQ Message Send Dr. Mabuse a Private Message
I deny that I'm in any way connected with the Freemasons.

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HalfMooner
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Philippines
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Posted - 06/03/2006 :  04:59:15   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send HalfMooner a Private Message
Now, verlch you are ladling out downright Nazi lies. Hitler, the National Socialist Party, and their surviving dregs and inheritors in the neo-Nazi movement have been the primary conspiracy buffs that have attacked Masonry, always linking it to the Jews. (This Nazi emnity probably stems from the fact that Masonry is notably not anti-Semitic.) Note the Minorah prominently diplayed on the right-wing page you link to, and the mention of the Kabbalah, etc.

Not a lot of people know about this anti-Masonry side of Nazism, but it was one of Nazism's major features. Masons were dispossesed, persecuted and murdered by the Nazis, along with Jews, Social Democrats, Communists, homosexuals, Gypsies, and Jehovah's Witnesses.

I know an old Nazi myself, a former Hitler Youth member, who seethed and sputtered to me when he hatefully talked of the "evils" of the Masons. The Nazi mythology about the Masons is an even crazier paranoid conspiracy theory than that in The Da Vinci Code's premise, and the Catholic Church's alternative story.

You originally picked up this nutty anti-Mason stuff from a Chick tract, I'll bet. He's a pretty much a neo-Nazi bastard, too.


Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
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verlch
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Posted - 06/03/2006 :  12:15:15   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send verlch an AOL message Send verlch a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by HalfMooner

Now, verlch you are ladling out downright Nazi lies. Hitler, the National Socialist Party, and their surviving dregs and inheritors in the neo-Nazi movement have been the primary conspiracy buffs that have attacked Masonry, always linking it to the Jews. (This Nazi emnity probably stems from the fact that Masonry is notably not anti-Semitic.) Note the Minorah prominently diplayed on the right-wing page you link to, and the mention of the Kabbalah, etc.

Not a lot of people know about this anti-Masonry side of Nazism, but it was one of Nazism's major features. Masons were dispossesed, persecuted and murdered by the Nazis, along with Jews, Social Democrats, Communists, homosexuals, Gypsies, and Jehovah's Witnesses.

I know an old Nazi myself, a former Hitler Youth member, who seethed and sputtered to me when he hatefully talked of the "evils" of the Masons. The Nazi mythology about the Masons is an even crazier paranoid conspiracy theory than that in The Da Vinci Code's premise, and the Catholic Church's alternative story.

You originally picked up this nutty anti-Mason stuff from a Chick tract, I'll bet. He's a pretty much a neo-Nazi bastard, too.





It's my understanding that the Jewish World Congress knew what Hitler, Himmler, Eichmann were up too, and could have gotten all the Jews out of harms way, as they had enough money.

I believe the Holocaust was another terrorist attack on humanity, which in one foul swoop gave rise to the Jewish state, without the holocaust, no state of Israel. How else would you get the Jews to move there? To reestablish a country that had disappeared for 2,000 years, and still speaking their native language.

As prophesied in the bible, http://www.jesusplusnothing.com/prophecy.htm

Just like America was founded on Masonic principles. So was the new Israel for the time being. You don't think all this is built/created for nothing, do you?

http://www.planetquo.com/Illuminati-Design-And-Symbolism-In-The-Israeli-Supreme-Court-Building

http://seguingazette.com/story.lasso?ewcd=3de769aa6842969a

It wouldn't surprise me, if they can kill the Czar in Russia, and gloat over the death of Anastasia, insert a godless communist nation, they can create and promote anything they desire. Evolution being one of them.

Your Biology you speak so highly of, as far as I can tell, basies its truths on similarites between the species.
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Dave W.
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Posted - 06/03/2006 :  12:44:54   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by verlch

I read what I did and I liked it.
Of course you did, because what you don't like - that which doesn't fit in with your dogma - you refuse to read.
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Dave, you stated you are not of the brethren, is that correct.
I don't believe I ever addressed that issue at all.

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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist

USA
4954 Posts

Posted - 06/03/2006 :  13:56:42   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Cuneiformist a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by verlch
It wouldn't surprise me, if they can kill the Czar in Russia, and gloat over the death of Anastasia, insert a godless communist nation, they can create and promote anything they desire. Evolution being one of them. (emphasis added)



Wha?!? Who "insert[ed]" a communist nation? Are you saying that the USSR was a Jewish creation?

And the World Jewish Congress sat aside and let everything happen so as to form a Jewish state?

And we let people like you vote?

(ETA link to JWC)
Edited by - Cuneiformist on 06/03/2006 14:00:13
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HalfMooner
Dingaling

Philippines
15831 Posts

Posted - 06/03/2006 :  14:28:52   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send HalfMooner a Private Message
Note that our madcap verlch makes not the slightest effort to say he's not a Nazi himself, but instead spouts revisionist neo-Nazi pseudo-history garbage.


Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
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verlch
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781 Posts

Posted - 06/03/2006 :  14:33:52   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send verlch an AOL message Send verlch a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Cuneiformist

quote:
Originally posted by verlch
It wouldn't surprise me, if they can kill the Czar in Russia, and gloat over the death of Anastasia, insert a godless communist nation, they can create and promote anything they desire. Evolution being one of them. (emphasis added)



Wha?!? Who "insert[ed]" a communist nation? Are you saying that the USSR was a Jewish creation?

And the World Jewish Congress sat aside and let everything happen so as to form a Jewish state?

And we let people like you vote?

(ETA link to JWC)



You think the CZAR was hung and shot in the head by no one other than the world power, Lenin was a Jewish Freemason.

There is a wheel and all are part of it. That choose to be.


http://www.americanheritage.com/immigration/articles/magazine/ah/1999/4/1999_4_34.shtml

Nothing happens by accident.



Edited by - verlch on 06/03/2006 22:14:47
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HalfMooner
Dingaling

Philippines
15831 Posts

Posted - 06/03/2006 :  14:38:05   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send HalfMooner a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by verlch
You think the CZAR was hung and shot in the head by no one other than the world power, Lenin was a Jewish Freemason.

There is a wheel and all are part of it. That choose to be.

Yes, verlch is indeed a crazy Nazi bastard.


Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
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Pernicious
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Posted - 06/03/2006 :  15:30:09   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Pernicious a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by verlch

quote:
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It's my understanding that the Jewish World Congress knew what Hitler, Himmler, Eichmann were up too, and could have gotten all the Jews out of harms way, as they had enough money.

I believe the Holocaust was another terrorist attack on humanity, which in one foul swoop gave rise to the Jewish state, without the holocaust, no state of Israel. How else would you get the Jews to move there? To reestablish a country that had disappeared for 2,000 years, and still speaking their native language.

As prophesied in the bible, http://www.jesusplusnothing.com/prophecy.htm

Just like America was founded on Masonic principles. So was the new Israel for the time being. You don't think all this is built/created for nothing, do you?

http://www.planetquo.com/Illuminati-Design-And-Symbolism-In-The-Israeli-Supreme-Court-Building

http://seguingazette.com/story.lasso?ewcd=3de769aa6842969a

It wouldn't surprise me, if they can kill the Czar in Russia, and gloat over the death of Anastasia, insert a godless communist nation, they can create and promote anything they desire. Evolution being one of them.

Your Biology you speak so highly of, as far as I can tell, basies its truths on similarites between the species.



You know, I hate to sink into just spouting obscenities instead of reasoned debate, but..
YOU ARE A FUCKING IDIOT.

If I was the Supreme Being, I wouldn't muck about with butterflies and dandelions, I'd start with lasers, eight o'clock, Day One!
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend

Sweden
9666 Posts

Posted - 06/03/2006 :  16:41:46   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Dr. Mabuse an ICQ Message Send Dr. Mabuse a Private Message
Aww...come on Pernicious, you can be more elegant than that, surely?

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HalfMooner
Dingaling

Philippines
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Posted - 06/03/2006 :  16:51:29   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send HalfMooner a Private Message

Shocktroops of the New World Order, victorious Masons march arrogantly through Savannah, Georgia



Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
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Dave W.
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USA
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Posted - 06/03/2006 :  17:02:27   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by HalfMooner

...victorious Masons...
Well, I'm scared, but probably not for the same reasons that verlch is.

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