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Michael Mozina
SFN Regular
1647 Posts |
 Posted - 07/30/2006 : 16:05:42
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I just wanted to thank Kil, Dr. Mabuse, John, Ricky, Cuniformist and the rest of this crew. I've learned a great deal here over the past year, and I've come to very much appreciate the skeptical review I've recieved here. At this point, I don't feel there is a lot more that I can say here until the STEREO data comes out. I also have a lot of work to do both for my business, and some new solar theory papers I'd like to write based on what I've learned here over the past year.
I just wanted to thank you all for your time, your efforts, and even your tough skepticism. I beleive it has served me well, I'm very pleased to have met all your aquaintances. It's truely been a pleasure.
Thanks.
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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
USA
4955 Posts |
Posted - 07/31/2006 : 06:33:30 [Permalink]
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| Well, Michael, it has certainly been educational for me, too. I am unfortunately unable to comment on the surface-of-the-sun issue (partly because it involved things I am very unfamiliar with, and partly because at 8+ threads, I simply cannot begin to catch up on what I've missed). However, the matter and the big bang thread really made me think about some things and do some real investigating. The book The Big Bang: the Origin of the Universe, by Simon Singh (discussed here) in particular really opened my eyes to a lot. Of course, Michael, I find the Big Bang to be a particularly compelling model for explaining the early early universe, but perhaps in the future we will be proven wrong. Ultimately, I plan to do a follow-up to the thread-- perhaps poor Robb is still curious?-- based on what I've read. However, I, like you, have some other things not skeptically-related to finish up on. |
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furshur
SFN Regular
USA
1536 Posts |
Posted - 07/31/2006 : 07:45:48 [Permalink]
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Michael certainly was an interesting character. He is either a crackpot or the single most important scientific mind to ever grace the planet. His ideas would completely overturn all aspects of physics and cosmology.
Michael writes in a very lucid, measured, and convincing style - it is just that his subject matter is nonsensical.
I felt sorry for Michael at first because he has so much invested in his theories, but the truth is he will never be proven wrong. No matter what evidence is presented he will go to his grave convinced that future generations will gather around his statue and marvel at how his contemporaries could not see the sheer genius.
PS. Don't worry Michael is not really gone - he is a little like the Bob character in What About Bob?.
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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
USA
4955 Posts |
Posted - 07/31/2006 : 07:52:17 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by furshur
PS. Don't worry Michael is not really gone - he is a little like the Bob character in What About Bob?.
Well, I didn't figure he'd really been gone. He's still fighting with Dave over the surface of the sun thing. And I would not be surprised if a new rumble starts regarding the Big Bang... |
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H. Humbert
SFN Die Hard
USA
4574 Posts |
Posted - 07/31/2006 : 13:20:47 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Michael Mozina
I just wanted to thank Kil, Dr. Mabuse, John, Ricky, Cuniformist and the rest of this crew. I've learned a great deal here over the past year, and I've come to very much appreciate the skeptical review I've recieved here. At this point, I don't feel there is a lot more that I can say here until the STEREO data comes out. I also have a lot of work to do both for my business, and some new solar theory papers I'd like to write based on what I've learned here over the past year.
I just wanted to thank you all for your time, your efforts, and even your tough skepticism. I beleive it has served me well, I'm very pleased to have met all your aquaintances. It's truely been a pleasure.
Thanks.
Wow, and no mention of Dave W., the one guy here who put in the most effort to give your crazy ideas a fair and detailed examination. You're all class, Michael.
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"A man is his own easiest dupe, for what he wishes to be true he generally believes to be true." --Demosthenes
"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself - and you are the easiest person to fool." --Richard P. Feynman
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beskeptigal
SFN Die Hard
USA
3834 Posts |
Posted - 07/31/2006 : 22:23:55 [Permalink]
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| 125 pages of Michael vs Dave. And here I am wondering if I should keep posting after ~10 posts trying to have a rational discussion with the pro-Israel warmongers on JREF. |
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
9687 Posts |
Posted - 08/01/2006 : 14:04:05 [Permalink]
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I am surprised about the percieved adversity that Michael experience. For as long as I have followed this discussion, Dave have been to the point and always critically analysed arguments. And without getting emotional too. Whenever Michael has accused Dave of attacking him, what I have seen is Dave pointing out flaws, lack of knowledge, logical fallacies, misunderstandings, misrepresentations, and other problems with the arguments.
All while being level-headed.
Michael seems to take many of Dave's criticisms of Michael's arguments as personal attacks, instead of using that criticism for self-evaluation. If I ever get into a serious discussion, I can only hope for someone as level-headed and logical as Dave.
It's too bad Michael takes the discussion so personally. Dave has on many occations stated that Michael is projecting, and I agree with this assessment. On one level I do understand Michael's fierce defence of his position, but the over-reactions and projections isn't serving him well. Will all the energy, time, and money he poured into his project, I can see how it is too painful to acknowledge that Dave and other's has offered valid criticisms and arguments that seriously questions the foundations of Michael's model.
My hope is that besides the work Michael will put into refining his hypothesis about the Solid Surface of the Sun, he will also work on his cognitive and communication skills. These have proven to be sub-par for this kind of exchange.
I wish Michael Mozina good luck in his endeavors and hope he eventually returns for some more discussions.
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JohnOAS
SFN Regular
Australia
800 Posts |
Posted - 08/01/2006 : 21:47:53 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by H. Humbert
Wow, and no mention of Dave W., the one guy here who put in the most effort to give your crazy ideas a fair and detailed examination. You're all class, Michael.
I've got to agree with H. here, regardless of the personal to-ings and fro-ings, Dave was by far the biggest contributor here at SFN. I'm not simply talking about volume of posts either, this extends to the sheer amount of work and thought put into the posts.
I enjoyed it on and off, but at the end of the day, the discussion was far too qualitative and shotgun for me to keep on top of things as I would have liked.
Michael I truly would like to read any publications specifically related to your model (or a scientific presentation of your model, for that matter) that are fit for submission to an appropriate per-reviewed journal or organisation. Even if you feel the "scientific establishment" (whatever that is) would keep you from being successully published, the act of distilling your thoughts into a coherent body of work would be well worth the effort.
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John's just this guy, you know. |
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