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marfknox
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Posted - 07/31/2006 :  18:06:33  Show Profile  Visit marfknox's Homepage  Send marfknox an AOL message Send marfknox a Private Message
Holy crappola:

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/30/us/30pastor.html?ex=1154923200&en=37b905c07e496400&ei=5070&emc=eta1

quote:
After refusing each time, Mr. Boyd finally became fed up, he said. Before the last presidential election, he preached six sermons called “The Cross and the Sword” in which he said the church should steer clear of politics, give up moralizing on sexual issues, stop claiming the United States as a “Christian nation” and stop glorifying American military campaigns.

“When the church wins the culture wars, it inevitably loses,” Mr. Boyd preached. “When it conquers the world, it becomes the world. When you put your trust in the sword, you lose the cross.”


And this guy is a fundamentalist. I guess some of them are smart enough to realize that when church and state intermingle, both become corrupt. Nice that this guy got this level of media coverage.

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Randy
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Posted - 07/31/2006 :  19:27:05   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Randy a Private Message
Nope, I checked all over....The Onion had nothing to do with this article [scratch head].
The optimist in me would like to think this is the beginning/spark of a light at the end of the tunnel.

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"So you're made of detritus [from exploded stars]. Get over it. Or better yet, celebrate it. After all, what nobler thought can one cherish than that the universe lives within us all?"
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Dude
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Posted - 08/01/2006 :  02:20:43   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Dude a Private Message
There was bound to be one out there.


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marfknox
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Posted - 08/01/2006 :  04:36:49   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit marfknox's Homepage  Send marfknox an AOL message Send marfknox a Private Message
Randy wrote:
quote:
The optimist in me would like to think this is the beginning/spark of a light at the end of the tunnel.


Not me. There have always been guys like this. Traditionally, fundamentalists don't involve themselves much in politics and often don't bother voting. They were seduced and mobilized by the Republican party. This guy I think just woke up and realized they were being used. I'd love to think that this Rev. getting so much attention might spark a trend, but alas, the other side has a lot of momemtum going. After all, Rev. Boyd lost a third of his congregation when he started doing this shit.

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filthy
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Posted - 08/01/2006 :  04:47:42   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message
I can't win; Just. Can. Not. Win! About the time I get a really good hate going, one of these guys pops up and spoils it all. Ah well...

But he's a voice in the wilderness; a whisper of sanity in Bedlam. I find it appalling that his story is newsworthy when just the opposite should be the case. The lunatics should pointed out rather than the good guys. Unfortunatly, due to sheer weight of numbers, the Rev. Boyd is the anomoly.




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Orwellingly Yurz
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Posted - 08/01/2006 :  13:25:43   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Orwellingly Yurz a Private Message
YO: I'm sure there are skeptics out there who listen to Air America Radio. But, I'd like to suggest for those who haven't heard "State of Belief," to check it out on AAR on the weekends. Here in California, I get it in the early afternoon on Saturdays adjacent to "Ring of Fire."

The host is Reverend Welton Gaddy. He's got sort of a southern, preachy, oratorical delivery that's pure liberal and progressive; what a refreshing and rarified trip he is. He's from Louisiana.


The web site is www.stateofbelief.org

Why I couldn't get what Gaddy recommends is the reason I left run-of-the-mill Christianity
a long time ago. In fact, I took up with Unitarian churches for some rationality with my need for religiosity and some spirituality. Your choice or non-choice is just that: your choice, as it should be.

I think that move, for me, brought an epiphany of sorts, which affirmed my sense of
knowing that the basic teachings of Jesus of Nazareth: Peace and love and help for others, are really important. Irony, irony: get away from the Christian church to understand more clearly what that religion's namesake preached.

I had to eschew the "christian" crap in order to get a more lucid take on it. It also allowed me to consider, and hopefully help to alleviate, the really serious problems in society. That would NOT include homosexuality, same sex marriage, flag desecration and the goddamned "death tax!"

On another subject: I was thinking today---as the media belches the war gases rising from just east, inland and beyond the Mediterranean---about all the spins going on regarding this crazy shit spilling out before us over there.

One of my heroes, George Orwell, was really doing what he needed to do! His two most famous literary pieces, "1984" and "Animal Farm" were written for one reason: to help humans beings THINK FOR THEMSELVES.

A tip of THIS skeptical hat for that accomplishment, Mr. Orwell. The only thing that you might have included somewhere in either of those novels is: what you were cautioning us of could come so much more subtly than you suggest.

OY




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Edited by - Orwellingly Yurz on 08/01/2006 22:39:48
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