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marfknox
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Posted - 08/07/2006 :  19:28:24  Show Profile  Visit marfknox's Homepage  Send marfknox an AOL message Send marfknox a Private Message
Whenever I've seen commercials for Girls Gone Wild I've grimaced and squirmed, and then wondered why it was bothering me so much. I've always hated those ads for those videos, even though I have no problem with and even enjoy some pornography. This is soft core, all adult and done with consent, and yet something about it has always bugged me to the point where I would change the channel.

And then I read this creepy-ass article: http://www.latimes.com/features/magazine/west/la-tm-gonewild32aug06,0,2664370.story

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McQ
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Posted - 08/13/2006 :  17:51:03   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send McQ a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by marfknox

Whenever I've seen commercials for Girls Gone Wild I've grimaced and squirmed, and then wondered why it was bothering me so much. I've always hated those ads for those videos, even though I have no problem with and even enjoy some pornography. This is soft core, all adult and done with consent, and yet something about it has always bugged me to the point where I would change the channel.

And then I read this creepy-ass article: http://www.latimes.com/features/magazine/west/la-tm-gonewild32aug06,0,2664370.story



That creepy article about that creepy guy doesn't surprise me one bit.

Elvis didn't do no drugs!
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beskeptigal
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Posted - 08/13/2006 :  22:28:26   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send beskeptigal a Private Message
This little bit sucks as much:
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I phone Ementi Coary, a Melrose Park, Ill., police officer who witnessed Francis roughing me up. He says he didn't intervene at the time because he had been told by "Girls Gone Wild" crew members that Francis and I had "hooked up" and that we "had a thing going" and that I was "just jealous."

"I was under the impression that you guys knew each other, that something was going on between you and that you guys were playing around," Coary says. "I changed my mind when he was grabbing your arm. That didn't look like playing around anymore." That's when Francis' bodyguard physically separated us, escorting me to the edge of the parking lot, and when Coary called for backup; a patrol car arrived moments later. "He's one of those guys who has money and does whatever he wants to," Coary continues. "I would've been happy to put the guy in jail." He had advised me to press charges that night, but I declined.

So many times cops have allowed domestic violence as if because there is a relationship that makes it OK.

Then the stupid reporter doesn't press charges. The only excuse there would be the cops told her there wasn't much to convict on without physical damage one can photograph or show in the ED record but that isn't what the account says.

The whole thing is so typical of an alcoholic. Gets drunk, gets physical, whines, "I'm sorry baby" afterward. The guy is creepy on those commercials when he says things like, "Do you think I could get you to take those pants off?" The girls are stupid. Obviously many are drunk.

So now he's rich, he'll drink himself to death real soon.
Edited by - beskeptigal on 08/13/2006 22:31:10
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LizW
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Posted - 08/15/2006 :  11:11:47   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send LizW a Private Message
I know why I feel this is sleazier than "real porn".

If someone decides to make a porno movie they have to actually make an effort to show up and to do a job. There is time and effort involved during which the person can decide whether the decision they have made is what they really want or not.

These peepshows that "Girls Gone Wild" are putting on are taken from idea to implication within a matter of minutes. Combine that with heavy alcohol use and the fact that they are targeting girls who are still in that time of life when they are insecure about whether they are attractive.

It's like watching someone push someone over a cliff with a series of gentle nudges. Never hard enough to get them to defend themselves, but hard enough to get them over.

It makes my skin crawl.

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BigPapaSmurf
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Posted - 08/15/2006 :  11:28:09   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send BigPapaSmurf a Private Message
Hmm three ladies, three negative responses.

Id like to use the Mel Gibson defense, he may be a scumbag but did you see all the cool beheadings in Braveheart?!?!

No doubt he is a scumbag, but hes done more for boobie freedom than any man I know, God bless him. (The alcohol thing does bother me though, drunk women are much less attractive.)


"...things I have neither seen nor experienced nor heard tell of from anybody else; things, what is more, that do not in fact exist and could not ever exist at all. So my readers must not believe a word I say." -Lucian on his book True History

"...They accept such things on faith alone, without any evidence. So if a fraudulent and cunning person who knows how to take advantage of a situation comes among them, he can make himself rich in a short time." -Lucian critical of early Christians c.166 AD From his book, De Morte Peregrini
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LizW
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Posted - 08/15/2006 :  11:44:21   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send LizW a Private Message
BigPapaSmurf, if you can't see an satisfying amount of boobs in real life, maybe you need to turn off the TV and work on your skills?

You also forgot to give credit to McQ for having testosterone and the ability to discern sexy from creepy.

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BigPapaSmurf
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Posted - 08/15/2006 :  12:28:38   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send BigPapaSmurf a Private Message
Wasnt sure about MCQ's sex, oh and 'statisfying amount of boobs' is an oxymoron.

Come on guys wheres my backup on this?

"...things I have neither seen nor experienced nor heard tell of from anybody else; things, what is more, that do not in fact exist and could not ever exist at all. So my readers must not believe a word I say." -Lucian on his book True History

"...They accept such things on faith alone, without any evidence. So if a fraudulent and cunning person who knows how to take advantage of a situation comes among them, he can make himself rich in a short time." -Lucian critical of early Christians c.166 AD From his book, De Morte Peregrini
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LizW
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Posted - 08/15/2006 :  12:34:44   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send LizW a Private Message

You learn something new every g****mn day!
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marfknox
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Posted - 08/15/2006 :  13:10:16   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit marfknox's Homepage  Send marfknox an AOL message Send marfknox a Private Message
Smurf wrote:
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Hmm three ladies, three negative responses.
The article was forwarded to me by a straight guy-friend of mine in his mid-30's. He posted it in his blog with this statement:
quote:
Spread this around if you care. Re-post it to your jounrals, please. Let this dick head know he got bad press and it is circulating. Already, it is the most viewed and most emailed story on the LA Times web site.

This article gets worse and worse as it goes on. It's an "embedded" reporter with the "Girl's Gone Wild" crew, where Joe Francis, the fuck head (now I call him that after reading this article) and dumbshit thinks he's god like enough to do what he pleases in front of and to a reporter and not get bad press.
http://jingoperiod.livejournal.com/

I don't think any women here has complained about the peddling of images of naked boobies, or porn for that matter. Hell, I enjoy a good deal of porn myself (Bears are totally hot). What was being responded to negatively was an article about a guy who targets drunk, barely-legal women, and who allegedly assaulted a reporter and raped an 18 year old drunk woman. We can argue that there are different levels of severity regarding different kinds of rape (date rape vs. a total stranger jumping out of the bushes), but forced sex on someone who is saying "No, it hurts." is still rape. I don't think any decent man or woman would defend the maker of "Girls Gone Wild" if he does do these things, regardless of how much they love videos with jiggling tits.

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Edited by - marfknox on 08/15/2006 13:16:40
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McQ
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Posted - 08/15/2006 :  14:25:17   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send McQ a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by BigPapaSmurf

Wasnt sure about MCQ's sex, oh and 'statisfying amount of boobs' is an oxymoron.

Come on guys wheres my backup on this?



I just rechecked and I'm still all "guy".
(thanks LizW, for reminding BigPapaSmurf!)

I'd bet money that Francis is a serial rapist. Of course I can't really accuse him of that in here. That would be libel. So I'm not saying that JOE FRANCIS IS A SERIAL RAPIST! Nope, I'm not gonna do it.

But he is an F'ing scumbag who preys on drunk and/or impressionable young women.

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marfknox
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Posted - 08/15/2006 :  15:46:41   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit marfknox's Homepage  Send marfknox an AOL message Send marfknox a Private Message
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"Sex sells everything," he says. "It drives every buying decision . . . I hate to get too deep and philosophical here, but only the guys with the greatest sexual appetites are the ones who are the most driven and most successful."
-Joe Francis from the article

I found this quote to be pretty stupid. By what is he measuring success? The most driven and successful scientists definitely break the mold he's suggesting here. I don't recall anything about Einstein being a real ladies man.

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R.Wreck
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Posted - 08/15/2006 :  15:46:44   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send R.Wreck a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by BigPapaSmurf

Wasnt sure about MCQ's sex, oh and 'statisfying amount of boobs' is an oxymoron.

Come on guys wheres my backup on this?



I, Im a simple person, you know
I have very small desires in life
Titties n beer, you know
No! what?
Titties n beer!
No! no man, youre joking...
Titties n beer, titties n beer, titties n beer...


Frank Zappa


The foundation of morality is to . . . give up pretending to believe that for which there is no evidence, and repeating unintelligible propositions about things beyond the possibliities of knowledge.
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Siberia
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Posted - 08/15/2006 :  16:21:55   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Siberia's Homepage  Send Siberia an AOL message  Send Siberia a Yahoo! Message Send Siberia a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by marfknox

quote:
"Sex sells everything," he says. "It drives every buying decision . . . I hate to get too deep and philosophical here, but only the guys with the greatest sexual appetites are the ones who are the most driven and most successful."
-Joe Francis from the article

I found this quote to be pretty stupid. By what is he measuring success? The most driven and successful scientists definitely break the mold he's suggesting here. I don't recall anything about Einstein being a real ladies man.


Actually, I remember seeing articles about Einstein being a ladies' man... from his letters and such. Whether they're credible or not, I don't know.

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marfknox
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Posted - 10/09/2006 :  21:33:57   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit marfknox's Homepage  Send marfknox an AOL message Send marfknox a Private Message
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Actually, I remember seeing articles about Einstein being a ladies' man... from his letters and such. Whether they're credible or not, I don't know.


Mmmm, I've never heard that before. I thought he had a pretty normal love life.

Well anyway - Bill Gates then. I KNOW Bill Gates was actually a rather unsuccessful ladies man, and yet he is the most financially successful living person. He got the hot wife after he made his money.

I'm sure we could easily come up with a huge list of highly successful men who were duds when it came to dating.

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Siberia
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Posted - 10/10/2006 :  07:10:36   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Siberia's Homepage  Send Siberia an AOL message  Send Siberia a Yahoo! Message Send Siberia a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by marfknox

quote:
Actually, I remember seeing articles about Einstein being a ladies' man... from his letters and such. Whether they're credible or not, I don't know.


Mmmm, I've never heard that before. I thought he had a pretty normal love life.

Well anyway - Bill Gates then. I KNOW Bill Gates was actually a rather unsuccessful ladies man, and yet he is the most financially successful living person. He got the hot wife after he made his money.

I'm sure we could easily come up with a huge list of highly successful men who were duds when it came to dating.


Well, his wife did work for him... and they've been together for aeons. But, true, he does look shy as hell and the very embodiment of geek stereotypes, so he probably wasn't all that popular.

I agree the quote is stupid, though.

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Robb
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Posted - 11/03/2006 :  12:32:12   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Robb a Private Message
I know I will get blasted for this but here it goes. These men are doing nothing illegal. The women that are in his movies consent to the filming. Whether they consent under intoxication or not they put themselves in that situation for something bad to happen to them. You would not excuse a drunk driver because their decision making ability was impaired, but you do excuse these women for the same reason. Are they adults or not? Now if he did rape a women then thats another story.

I am not saying that the movie makers are not immoral or unethical. We need to educate men and women that their actions may have unintended consequences.

Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. - George Washington
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