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GK Paul
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USA
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Posted - 09/05/2006 :  20:02:55   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send GK Paul a Private Message
Well hello to all, and a thank you to Kil for calling me a true believer. I was also glad to see that info and quote by Sedgwick. A true rational scientist who believed in the Divine.

I've been reading some past articles by Coulter and she does come across as abrasive sometimes. But people capable of brilliance often do have their quirks. I think it is God's way of keeping people humble. She is certainly not perfect, but does see some things that others don't.

Anyway, I might come in now and than but I'm busy with other things so my time is limited.


"Something cannot come from nothing" -- Ken Tanaka - geologist

"The existence of a Being endowed with intelligence and wisdom is a necessary inference from a study of celestial mechanics" --Sir Isaac Newton


GK Paul
Edited by - GK Paul on 09/05/2006 20:10:17
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend

Sweden
9666 Posts

Posted - 09/05/2006 :  20:11:15   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Dr. Mabuse an ICQ Message Send Dr. Mabuse a Private Message
It looks like he didn't have Michael Mozina's stamina after all...

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HalfMooner
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Philippines
15831 Posts

Posted - 09/05/2006 :  20:32:46   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send HalfMooner a Private Message
Indeed, Mab. Nobody beats our Michael Mozina (patent pending) for pure stamina.

Isn't it interesting that GK Paul welcomes being called a "true believer"? True believers like GK are the vital underpinnings of every totalitarian movement and government, from Communist to Fascist, from theocratic to nationalist.


Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
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GK Paul
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USA
306 Posts

Posted - 09/05/2006 :  21:00:44   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send GK Paul a Private Message
Einstein said "I want to know God's thoughts." While we will never know God's thoughts, we can imagine. Now if you were God wouldn't you want a little variety now and than. I'm not sure how many species there are. Isn't it in the hundreds of thousands. Anyway why stop there, why not have your species constantly changing. You can't deny that it would certainly be more interesting to God.


"Something cannot come from nothing" -- Ken Tanaka - geologist

"The existence of a Being endowed with intelligence and wisdom is a necessary inference from a study of celestial mechanics" --Sir Isaac Newton


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H. Humbert
SFN Die Hard

USA
4574 Posts

Posted - 09/05/2006 :  21:22:22   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send H. Humbert a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by GK Paul
I'm not sure how many species there are. Isn't it in the hundreds of thousands. Anyway why stop there, why not have your species constantly changing. You can't deny that it would certainly be more interesting to God.

"...when Creationists talk about God creating every individual species...they always instance hummingbirds, or orchids, sunflowers and beautiful things. But I tend to think instead of a parasitic worm that is boring through the eye of a boy sitting on the bank of a river in West Africa, [a worm] that's going to make him blind. And [I ask them], 'Are you telling me that the God you believe in, who you also say is an all-merciful God, who cares for each one of us individually, are you saying that God created this worm that can live in no other way than in an innocent child's eyeball? Because that doesn't seem to me to coincide with a God who's full of mercy." --David Attenborough.


So, according to GK's brilliant theology, kids go blind so god doesn't get bored?


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HalfMooner
Dingaling

Philippines
15831 Posts

Posted - 09/05/2006 :  21:27:58   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send HalfMooner a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by GK Paul

Einstein said "I want to know God's thoughts." While we will never know God's thoughts, we can imagine. Now if you were God wouldn't you want a little variety now and than. I'm not sure how many species there are. Isn't it in the hundreds of thousands. Anyway why stop there, why not have your species constantly changing. You can't deny that it would certainly be more interesting to God.

Is that what it sounds like? An argument that God may be using evolution to entertain Himself with a self-produced variety show? Or are you simply making this suggestion to him via SFN?

(Question to Mods: Does He lurk here, or is He registered?)


Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
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Edited by - HalfMooner on 09/05/2006 21:28:40
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend

Sweden
9666 Posts

Posted - 09/05/2006 :  21:33:31   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Dr. Mabuse an ICQ Message Send Dr. Mabuse a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by HalfMooner
(Question to Mods: Does He lurk here, or is He registered?)

That's for us to know, and you to wonder...







Edited to add:
Well, for Admins to know. We simple Mods can't view IPs of visitors, only posters. He could be using an alias though.

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GK Paul
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USA
306 Posts

Posted - 09/05/2006 :  21:59:37   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send GK Paul a Private Message
I looked it up and scientists estimate their are between 2 million and 100 million species on earth. With a best estimate of 10 million species. Only 1.4 million have been named.

10 million is a lot of species to have evolved in 5 billion years, which I have heard is the estimated age of the universe. I know there were 13 finch species on the island Darwin was on, and there are still 13 species on that island (albiet 150 yrs isn't that long). And that little bacterium that those 10 million species came from was a heck of a stud. I personally don't like the idea of being a descendant of a bacterium. But evolutionists don't mention that to the public for some reason. They like to stop at apes.


"Something cannot come from nothing" -- Ken Tanaka - geologist

"The existence of a Being endowed with intelligence and wisdom is a necessary inference from a study of celestial mechanics" --Sir Isaac Newton


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Edited by - GK Paul on 09/05/2006 22:02:01
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Ricky
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USA
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Posted - 09/05/2006 :  22:31:51   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Ricky an AOL message Send Ricky a Private Message
quote:
10 million is a lot of species to have evolved in 5 billion years, which I have heard is the estimated age of the universe.


Take some time, look information up. Wikipedia is excellent for things such as short and quick facts. Why all this "I've heard that...". How about having a reference so you can go off something better than what a coworker told you at the water cooler?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universe

Why continue? Because we must. Because we have the call. Because it is nobler to fight for rationality without winning than to give up in the face of continued defeats. Because whatever true progress humanity makes is through the rationality of the occasional individual and because any one individual we may win for the cause may do more for humanity than a hundred thousand who hug their superstitions to their breast.
- Isaac Asimov
Edited by - Ricky on 09/05/2006 22:32:21
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Ghost_Skeptic
SFN Regular

Canada
510 Posts

Posted - 09/05/2006 :  22:47:12   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Ghost_Skeptic a Private Message
Using Peter Singer as an example of atheism is like using Fred Phelps as an example of Christianity.

"You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink. / You can send a kid to college but you can't make him think." - B.B. King

History is made by stupid people - The Arrogant Worms

"The greater the ignorance the greater the dogmatism." - William Osler

"Religion is the natural home of the psychopath" - Pat Condell

"The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter" - Thomas Jefferson
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Ghost_Skeptic
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Canada
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Posted - 09/05/2006 :  23:13:19   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Ghost_Skeptic a Private Message
I think GK Paul is in denial about being had by Ann Coulter and looking foolish as a result.

When we wer having trouble getting insurance fora car because it had had an engine swap, we went through the perious ownere's insruance agent in the Village of Linden Alberta. A couple of years later Linden was in the news because a large Ponzi scheme was run from the village by an outfit called HSM Financial. The first victims were the congregation of the local Mennonite church (Lidnen is a Mennonite town) and Mormons in Cardston. The fraud spread throughout western Canada. A week ago there was a follow up story on the news, consisting of interviews with the RCMP officer investing the case and our insurance agent. The mountie was having trouble gettin people to come forward. Many were too embaressed, but some were still in denial and believed that the perpetrators (who had dissapeared long ago) were in Florida looking for the money. The insurance agent said that he had tried to warn people about the scam and lost a lot of friends as a result. They did'nt want to hear anything negative about something they wanted to believe in.

GK Paul is reluctant to let go of his initial impression tha Ann Coulter is a brilliant pundit and admit they he spent good money and valuable time on a book full of nonsense.

"You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink. / You can send a kid to college but you can't make him think." - B.B. King

History is made by stupid people - The Arrogant Worms

"The greater the ignorance the greater the dogmatism." - William Osler

"Religion is the natural home of the psychopath" - Pat Condell

"The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter" - Thomas Jefferson
Edited by - Ghost_Skeptic on 09/06/2006 00:38:54
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GK Paul
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USA
306 Posts

Posted - 09/06/2006 :  00:13:46   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send GK Paul a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Ricky

quote:
10 million is a lot of species to have evolved in 5 billion years, which I have heard is the estimated age of the universe.


Take some time, look information up. Wikipedia is excellent for things such as short and quick facts. Why all this "I've heard that...". How about having a reference so you can go off something better than what a coworker told you at the water cooler?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universe

My cut and paste doesn't work in this site. I'll try to find my source.

I've done a lot of reading of books in my life. My memory is my main source. Your welcome to do your own research.

Edited later: Well, I punched into Google "how many species are there" and the 1st site is World Resources Institute. Thats where I got it.


"Something cannot come from nothing" -- Ken Tanaka - geologist

"The existence of a Being endowed with intelligence and wisdom is a necessary inference from a study of celestial mechanics" --Sir Isaac Newton


GK Paul
Edited by - GK Paul on 09/06/2006 01:03:06
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H. Humbert
SFN Die Hard

USA
4574 Posts

Posted - 09/06/2006 :  00:25:08   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send H. Humbert a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by GK Paul
Your welcome to do your own research. My cut and paste doesn't work in this site. I'll try to find my source.

Ricky was trying to politely correct you without making a big deal about the fact that the figure you quoted is wrong. The Universe is not 5 billion years old, it's much older. That figure is closer to the age of the Earth. Or did you think they shared the same age?


"A man is his own easiest dupe, for what he wishes to be true he generally believes to be true." --Demosthenes

"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself - and you are the easiest person to fool." --Richard P. Feynman

"Face facts with dignity." --found inside a fortune cookie
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GK Paul
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USA
306 Posts

Posted - 09/06/2006 :  00:57:03   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send GK Paul a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by H. Humbert

quote:
Originally posted by GK Paul
Your welcome to do your own research. My cut and paste doesn't work in this site. I'll try to find my source.

Ricky was trying to politely correct you without making a big deal about the fact that the figure you quoted is wrong. The Universe is not 5 billion years old, it's much older. That figure is closer to the age of the Earth. Or did you think they shared the same age?



It sounds like you believe all life came from other Planets. The estimate I remember is that according to the big bang theory the universe started around 5 billion years ago. I'm sure scientists disagree. Why don't you give us your figure and the source. Whatever the source it is going to take a lot of "faith" to believe it.

Also I'd appreciate it if you let people speak for themselves.


"Something cannot come from nothing" -- Ken Tanaka - geologist

"The existence of a Being endowed with intelligence and wisdom is a necessary inference from a study of celestial mechanics" --Sir Isaac Newton


GK Paul
Edited by - GK Paul on 09/06/2006 01:25:54
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GK Paul
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USA
306 Posts

Posted - 09/06/2006 :  02:05:15   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send GK Paul a Private Message
OK it seems like some scientists are theorizing our solar system is 5 billion years old. Maybe that's why some scientists theorize life came from comets or other galaxies. Because it doesn't add up (to me anyway) that 10 million species evolved in 5 billion years. Like I said before this stuff also takes faith.


"Something cannot come from nothing" -- Ken Tanaka - geologist

"The existence of a Being endowed with intelligence and wisdom is a necessary inference from a study of celestial mechanics" --Sir Isaac Newton


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