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Starman
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Posted - 08/26/2006 :  14:36:53   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Starman a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by GK Paul

When a public figure so "confidently" takes on a religious icon to the scientific community it increases that Hope. But you can expect anger and rage when you are blasphemus to a religious icon.
I doubt that anybody gets angry when Coulter makes a fool of her self by exposing her scientific illiteracy. It's mostly amusing and she is an embarrassment to any conservative with a brain.

What I do despise Coulter for is her hate mongering, but then there are village idiots of all kinds and varieties and the only really offensive thing is that this particular sociopath is given this kind of attention.

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marfknox
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Posted - 08/26/2006 :  14:42:57   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit marfknox's Homepage  Send marfknox an AOL message Send marfknox a Private Message
GK Paul wrote:
quote:
But I was impressed that someone in her arena would try to take Darwin on and not consider it "Gospel" like some people seem to do.


Why does this impress you? She is making a ton of money off her books, and has appeared on everything from the Daily Show to The Tonight Show. And knocks against evolution in the USA are hardly rare or shocking anymore - our own President openly questions the theory.

But isn't it funny how, despite how much funding it thrown into the anti-evolution movement, it still can't make any headway in a diverse and global scientific community or public schools (the places where intellectual honesty matters)? In the 80's fundamentalists declared Creationism would be taught in every state, and 15 years later they got one - Kansas - and the decision was so stupid and embarassing that it was overturned by Republicans! Recently in Dover, PA, a conservative, Christian, Bush-appointed judge ruled against the ID proponents and in his ruling even stated that they had used deception to make ID look scientific.

You can take only a surface look at this and convince yourself that there is some vast conspiracy to promote evolution, but that really doesn't make any sense when you take a closer look. First of all, why would such a conspiracy exist? Why would people want evolution to be true? Second of all, it would have to be a global conspiracy involving literally hundreds of thousands of people over almost a century! And if there is no conspiracy, then all the evidence for evolution is real, and overwhelming. If you want to know why so many people have their panties in a bunch over people like Anne Coulter, it is because we are passionate about reality and science, and it pisses us off when people horribly distort both for their own gain.

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Edited by - marfknox on 08/26/2006 14:45:30
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Posted - 08/26/2006 :  14:51:10   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit marfknox's Homepage  Send marfknox an AOL message Send marfknox a Private Message
I might also point out that Anne Coulter is in no danger for her controversial views on evolution. We don't typically hear about evolutionary biologists gunning down ID proponents or bombing Creationist museums. She really only stands to benefit by slamming evolution.

Now abortion doctors who live in the Bible Belt - they're impressive.

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HalfMooner
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Posted - 08/26/2006 :  16:22:57   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send HalfMooner a Private Message
Ann Coulter "take on Darwin"? Charles "Clasher" Darwin, even in his cold, clammy grave, can kick Coulter's skinny ass anytime.

I'm taking bets on the fight's outcome.


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Dave W.
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Posted - 08/26/2006 :  19:12:31   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by GK Paul

I merely stated her book is powerful, and from what I can see, her words are having a "powerful effect" on the emotions of "everyone" in this forum...
But you don't seem to have any idea why.

Coulter's goal isn't to take on "a religious icon to the scientific community." Coulter's goal is to make money and ingratiate herself to the ultra-conservatives running the country. She doesn't care whether what she says is correct or incorrect, so long as what she says will get people to buy her book and generate "atta girls" from the religious elite.

I'll say that again: she doesn't care if her take on evolution is right or wrong. Yet here you are, effectively praising her for having a "powerful effect" on people, and so it's clear that you don't care about whether she's using her "power" to spread truth or lies, either.

Again: she doesn't care, and so it's obvious that she doesn't actually believe in what the Bible says, since if it were otherwise, she wouldn't be focusing her life on telling lies for money. She doesn't give a damn about what God thinks about her. She doesn't even care what we think about her, so long as we think about her. That's her bid for immortality: whether history pegs her as a saint or a villain is irrelevant, so long as she's remembered here on Earth for as long as possible.

That's her "hope." It's actually my "hope," also, but I'd rather not be written up as grotesquely evil like Coulter will be. Yeah, it pains me to say it, but the "hope" that Coulter and I both share is the same, and it's not based upon the Bible or upon Darwin.

To confuse the two, as you have, GK Paul, makes it clear that your own personal "hope" trumps reason altogether. I hope that someday you'll come to terms with the fact that you're going to die. You're young, though, so there's plenty of time for you to figure it out.

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GK Paul
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Posted - 08/27/2006 :  02:41:01   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send GK Paul a Private Message
Well, out of all the responses in this Ann Coulter "Godless" book forum I don't think that anybody other than me has actually read the book. I'd say I read about 40% of it. Everybody else has read nothing or some articles about it. So It would be correct to say that I'm an expert on the book compared to everyone else. Gee It's nice to be an expert. Why don't at least one of you go to your library and read just 40% of it and than come back and talk about the book's topics and not about me or Coulter. Isn't that what Book Forums are supposed to be about; and not a place to vex anger on something you read in another book.

Oh wait a minute, it seems that 2 people have implied that they read excerpts from it, but yet they don't give one specific example of what was said. There is a lot of bashing going on but nobody but Coulter seems willing to give "specific" examples. I will mention specific statements after at least 3 people mention "specific statements" made in the book.



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GK Paul
Edited by - GK Paul on 08/27/2006 03:13:38
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H. Humbert
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Posted - 08/27/2006 :  03:12:16   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send H. Humbert a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by GK Paul

Well, out of all the responses in this Ann Coulter "Godless" book forum I don't think that anybody other than me has actually read the book. I'd say I read about 40% of it. Everybody else has read nothing or some articles about it. So It would be correct to say that I'm an expert on the book compared to everyone else. Gee It's nice to be an expert. Why don't at least one of you go to your library and read just 40% of it and than come back and talk about the book's topics and not about me or Coulter. Isn't that what Book Forums are supposed to be about; and not a place to vex anger on something you read in another book.


Ok, then before commented on evolution again you should go read The Origin of Species.

Coulter's book is not a novel. It doesn't have a plot or characters a person would need to familiarize themselves with beforehand. People here are quite capable of discussing the subjects into which her book delves. In fact, practically all of her arguments have been lifted straight out of the creationist literature, so most skeptics are intimately familiar with them. But if you want to shut all discussion down because you think we should first torture ourselves by actually reading her insane propaganda, then I doubt you'll get many takers.

You want to pretend Coulter's book exists in a vacuum and should be taken at face value despite the mountains of extraneous evidence which exists to prove she lies through her teeth. Too bad. You can find another place for your hero worship. This is a skeptic's website.


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Edited by - H. Humbert on 08/27/2006 03:15:25
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GK Paul
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Posted - 08/27/2006 :  03:59:59   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send GK Paul a Private Message
To Mr. H Humbert

Please, just give me one, just one specific thing Ann Coulter has said in Godless that you disagree with. If you don't want to make the effort to do that, than give me one "specific" thing she has ever said
in her life and the source where you got it from.

And I would appreciate it if everybody else would do the same. Than we actually might, just might, get some information.

Also I'm kinda new to going to links, so I'm a little concerned about viruses from unknown sites like Here, Here, Here.


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Randy
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Posted - 08/27/2006 :  06:04:16   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Randy a Private Message
http://atheistexperience.blogspot.com/

This blog on "Coultergeist's" book just popped up at our Austin Atheist Community email group. Go down about half the page for a great read from Martin. He writes of a local (Texas) grocery store merchandising it with a prominent disclaimer.

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Dr. Mabuse
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Posted - 08/27/2006 :  07:52:15   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Dr. Mabuse an ICQ Message Send Dr. Mabuse a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by GK Paul

To Mr. H Humbert

Please, just give me one, just one specific thing Ann Coulter has said in Godless that you disagree with.

http://www.randomhouse.com/catalog/display.pperl?isbn=9780307347534
Short excerpt from Godless:
quote:
"Liberals love to boast that they are not 'religious,' which is what one would expect to hear from the state-sanctioned religion. Of course liberalism is a religion. It has its own cosmology, its own miracles, its own beliefs in the supernatural, its own churches, its own high priests, its own saints, its own total worldview, and its own explanation of the existence of the universe. In other words, liberalism contains all the attributes of what is generally known as 'religion.'" —From Godless

Liberals love to boast that they are not 'religious
No they don't in many places in USA, especially in the Bible-belt states. One of the SFN members (the ignored if I recall correctly, currently on hiatus) know people who were physically abused because they didn't confess to christianity. Several people on this board (and a 'sister' board, Skepticaliy) have testified that because of their religious environment they hesitate to disclose their agnosticism or atheism because the problems that arise from revealing such.

Of course liberalism is a religion.
No, liberalism is a philosophical ideology, with a political tradition of personal liberty. Read about liberalism on Wikipedia. (Don't worry about following this link, there are no viruses on Wikipedia, which is one of the largest and most accurate encyclopedia you can find online)

It has its own cosmology,... <snip> ...its own total worldview, and its own explanation of the existence of the universe.
This is also patently false. Since liberalism is the philosophical view that stresses liberty, and notion that you can think for yourself, liberals are not only atheists and agnostics. There are many Christians who are liberals too, or followers of other religions. As such, liberals represents millions of different views on Big Questions About Our Existance, including the scientific explanation, but not limited to that but also include Biblical creation myths, as well as Hinduistic, and other religious myths.


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Cuneiformist
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Posted - 08/27/2006 :  07:55:16   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Cuneiformist a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by GK Paul
Oh wait a minute, it seems that 2 people have implied that they read excerpts from it, but yet they don't give one specific example of what was said. There is a lot of bashing going on but nobody but Coulter seems willing to give "specific" examples. I will mention specific statements after at least 3 people mention "specific statements" made in the book.


Well this is an easy challenge. So here's an excerpt from chapter 1 of Coulter's book (you can find it on Amazon):
quote:
Liberals love to boast that they are not “religious,” which is what one would expect to hear from the state-sanctioned religion. Of course liberalism is a religion. It has its own cosmology, its own miracles, its own beliefs in the supernatural, its own churches, its own high priests, its own saints, its own total worldview, and its own explanation of the existence of the universe. In other words, liberalism contains all the attributes of what is generally known as “religion.”

Under the guise of not favoring religion, liberals favor one cosmology over another and demand total indoctrination into theirs. The state religion of liberalism demands obeisance (to the National Organization for Women), tithing (to teachers' unions), reverence (for abortion), and formulaic imprecations (“Bush lied, kids died!” “Keep your laws off my body!” “Arms for hostages!”). Everyone is taxed to support indoctrination into the state religion through the public schools, where innocent children are taught a specific belief system, rather than, say, math.

Liberal doctrines are less scientifically provable than the story of Noah's ark, but their belief system is taught as fact in government schools, while the Biblical belief system is banned from government schools by law. As a matter of faith, liberals believe: Darwinism is a fact, people are born gay, child-molesters can be rehabilitated, recycling is a virtue, and chastity is not. If people are born gay, why hasn't Darwinism weeded out people who don't reproduce? (For that, we need a theory of survival of the most fabulous.) And if gays can't change, why do liberals think child-molesters can? Pedophilia is a sexual preference. If they're born that way, instead of rehabilitation, how about keeping them locked up? Why must children be taught that recycling is the only answer? Why aren't we teaching children “safe littering”?

We aren't allowed to ask. Believers in the liberal faith might turn violent—much like the practitioners of Islam, the Religion of Peace, who ransacked Danish embassies worldwide because a Danish newspaper published cartoons of Mohammed. This is something else that can't be taught in government schools: Muslims' predilection for violence. On the first anniversary of the 9/11 attack, the National Education Association's instruction materials exhorted teachers, “Do not suggest that any group is responsible” for the attack of 9/11.

If a Martian landed in America and set out to determine the nation's official state religion, he would have to conclude it is liberalism, while Christianity and Judaism are prohibited by law. And not just in Cambridge, Massachusetts, where it's actually on the books, but throughout the land. This is a country in which taxpayers are forced to subsidize “artistic” exhibits of aborted fetuses, crucifixes in urine, and gay pornography. Meanwhile, it's unconstitutional to display a Nativity scene at Christmas or the Ten Commandments on government property if the purpose is to promote monotheistic religion.

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GK Paul
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Posted - 08/27/2006 :  12:40:06   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send GK Paul a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Gorgo

Buy a virus program and a firewall. In fact, you can get them free.

where do I get a virus program for free.


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GK Paul
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Posted - 08/27/2006 :  12:52:50   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send GK Paul a Private Message
Well thank you to those who brought in excerpts of Godless. Now we all can see where Coulter stands. I'd also like some specific examples where Coulter spews hate.


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pleco
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Posted - 08/27/2006 :  13:21:10   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit pleco's Homepage Send pleco a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by GK Paul

quote:
Originally posted by Gorgo

Buy a virus program and a firewall. In fact, you can get them free.

where do I get a virus program for free.



Try www.avast.com - this is the one I use and I like it. Download the Home version. I assume you are running a Windows OS.

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