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Skeptic Friend

101 Posts

Posted - 09/14/2006 :  12:58:54  Show Profile  Send Jarrid an AOL message Send Jarrid a Private Message
Confession, they (whoever they may be) say, is good for the soul.
I don't know if I believe that, but however, I do have a confession -- a rather gruesome one, at that - to make.
I voted for Mr. Bush.
There, I said it.
The reason I make this confession is because I am tired of hearing people say that the half of the United States that voted for the man is afraid to admit to their mistakes and that they are afraid to take a stand against our president.
I voted for the current president because I was brainwashed...brainwashed by Christians in this country, who pressured their congregations to vote for Dubya, pressured by oober-conservative republicans in my mostly republican home town, etceteras.
But unlike the stereotype, I can admit that I made a mistake, and I can call for the impeachment of a president who resembles something more of a military dicator. War time or not, both Bush and Cheney need to be removed from office for good.
The reason for this message is because I'm sick and tired of the guilt for voting for the man, and I hope that other people are able to take responsibility for putting him in office and get out and do something about it.
Oh, and by the way, I'm back. Sorry it's been like.....2 years? since I've posted.

I don't have to go swimming through an outhouse to know I wouldn't like it."

Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend

9677 Posts

Posted - 09/14/2006 :  14:49:27   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Dr. Mabuse an ICQ Message Send Dr. Mabuse a Private Message
Welcome back!

Dr. Mabuse - "When the going gets tough, the tough get Duct-tape..."
Dr. Mabuse whisper.mp3

"Equivocation is not just a job, for a creationist it's a way of life..." Dr. Mabuse

Support American Troops in Iraq:
Send them unarmed civilians for target practice..
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SFN Die Hard

6891 Posts

Posted - 09/14/2006 :  15:19:22   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Dude a Private Message
I hope that many many more conservatives follow your lead Jarrid.

Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson

"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin

Hope, n.
The handmaiden of desperation; the opiate of despair; the illegible signpost on the road to perdition. ~~ da filth
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H. Humbert
SFN Die Hard

4574 Posts

Posted - 09/14/2006 :  15:30:42   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send H. Humbert a Private Message
It's never too late to turn from the Dark Side.

"A man is his own easiest dupe, for what he wishes to be true he generally believes to be true." --Demosthenes

"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself - and you are the easiest person to fool." --Richard P. Feynman

"Face facts with dignity." --found inside a fortune cookie
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SFN Die Hard

4907 Posts

Posted - 09/14/2006 :  19:43:20   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Ricky an AOL message Send Ricky a Private Message
Perhaps the reason why not may people admit that they voted for Bush is because not many people voted for Bush afterall.

The past is the past, let it stay there. What I would be much more interested in, is how or why you were brainwashed. What exactly was it that got you to vote for Bush, and how is it that you "saw the light"?

Oh, and welcome back.

Why continue? Because we must. Because we have the call. Because it is nobler to fight for rationality without winning than to give up in the face of continued defeats. Because whatever true progress humanity makes is through the rationality of the occasional individual and because any one individual we may win for the cause may do more for humanity than a hundred thousand who hug their superstitions to their breast.
- Isaac Asimov
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Evil Skeptic

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Posted - 09/14/2006 :  21:01:08   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Kil's Homepage  Send Kil an AOL message  Send Kil a Yahoo! Message Send Kil a Private Message
Don't let it worry you Jarrid. It was your first time voting for president. You'll get better at it...

Uncertainty may make you uncomfortable. Certainty makes you ridiculous.

Why not question something for a change?

Genetic Literacy Project
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Skeptic Friend

101 Posts

Posted - 09/15/2006 :  08:17:46   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Jarrid an AOL message Send Jarrid a Private Message
Originally posted by Ricky

Perhaps the reason why not may people admit that they voted for Bush is because not many people voted for Bush afterall.

The past is the past, let it stay there. What I would be much more interested in, is how or why you were brainwashed. What exactly was it that got you to vote for Bush, and how is it that you "saw the light"?

Oh, and welcome back.

Ricky: I was brainwashed in the way so many people my church. The pastor preached relentlessly on how we need to vote for Bush, how we need to have a "good, God-fearing man in office" and how it is our "Christian duty" to elect Bush. After hearing that for so long coming into the election, I didn't even think about who to vote for (although, unlike a lot of people, I did watch all of the debates). There was also quite a bit of "redneck campaigning" going on in the community that put quite a bit of emphasis on voting for Bush, therefore instead of it being my decision, I feel that it was someone else's decision pushed on me, and I was too young to really think on my own completely and also very easily influenced, so when I went in I didn't even think I just voted.

Now, how is it that I saw the light? Well, as many of you remember, I came into this forum several years ago with my conservative views locked in, and many of you (Kil, Dr. Mabuse, Dave W.) pretty well shot holes in most of my theories, but the biggest thing was when I started getting a little more into politics and actually paying attention. I started to see that there was something wrong, and whenever I mentioned it to my "Christian friends," their only rebuttal was "that's just the devil trying to get at you," and after a while hearing that every time, it seemed like they were more like robots than people, so I started to question everything I had been taught, and came to the conclusion that most of it was based on myth rather than fact.

I don't have to go swimming through an outhouse to know I wouldn't like it."
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SFN Regular

1886 Posts

Posted - 09/15/2006 :  10:03:57   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send moakley a Private Message
Life is a continuous opportunity to learn about ourselves and the world/universe around us. The willingness to learn facilitates changing one's mind, when changing one's mind is warranted by the available facts. And facts become relevant when you are willing to learn.

Keep it up there is a whole lot of interesting stuff out there.

Life is good

Philosophy is questions that may never be answered. Religion is answers that may never be questioned. -Anonymous
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SFN Die Hard

14408 Posts

Posted - 09/15/2006 :  12:39:44   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message
The birth of a Skeptic......

"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)

"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres

"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude

Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,

and Crypto-Communist!

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SFN Die Hard

3834 Posts

Posted - 09/15/2006 :  16:10:32   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send beskeptigal a Private Message
Great posts Jarrid. I'm convinced we need to educate the religious among us there are good Christian values in the anti-war movement, you can lower abortion rates more with a decent wage and education and access to health care than you can lower it by passing a law, and there's a Commandment against 'bearing false witness against thy neighbor' while homosexuality is an abomination only has a passing mention.
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Orwellingly Yurz
SFN Regular

529 Posts

Posted - 09/15/2006 :  21:38:49   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Orwellingly Yurz a Private Message
YO, Jarrid. The most important phrase you've posted in this thread is in your most recent. You wrote, "I started to question everything..."

Man, that's a mouthful; and I salute you for stepping up and saying all of what you did about how you came to vote for G. War.

I've had to say I was wrong, or I didn't do something "right" several times in my life, and it really wasn't much fun doing it, but, at the same time, very liberating.

Questioning will keep on liberating, but whether it makes one a liberal, finally, is really quite beside the point.


"The modern engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy. That is the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness."
--John Kenneth Galbraith

If dogs run free
Then what must be,
Must be...
And that is all
--Bob Dylan

The neo-cons have gotten welfare for themselves down to a fine art.

"The meek shall inherit the earth, but not the mineral rights."
--J. Paul Getty

"The great thing about Art isn't what it give us, but what we become through it."
--Oscar Wilde

"We have Art in order not to die of life."
--Albert Camus

"I cling like a miser to the freedom I lose when surrounded by an abundance of things."
--Albert Camus

"Experience is the name so many people give to their mistakes."
--Oscar Wilde
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