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Dave W.
Info Junkie
USA
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 Posted - 10/07/2006 : 09:20:45 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by dglas
"Ironically, people who call themselves "skeptics" are not truly skeptics; they are only selective skeptics. This is because they may be skeptical about fringe ideas, but they are never skeptical about mainstream ideas or mainstream news. The same applies to debunkers."
Hmmm I am not entirely sure this is not true...
The idea that some sort of god exists is about as "mainstream" as you can get (90% believe it's true here in the US), and many skeptics are skeptical of it. And if Bigfoot, Nessie, UFOs, psychics and ghosts didn't appeal to large audiences, there wouldn't be so many "documentaries" about them. The idea that these sorts of things are only "fringe" ideas is something to be skeptical of, too. |
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Siberia
SFN Addict
Brazil
2322 Posts |
Posted - 10/07/2006 : 09:22:30 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Kil
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Siberia:
I wonder, is that a spoof?
Seems like it should be, doesn't it? But I have personally talked to people who believe that lizards are running the world.
The following quote is from a Kil Report I wrote a few years back.
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From Evil Skeptic II:
There was another device on their table. It looked like an oatcake with metallic particles in it. It was made of resin. Betty explained to Jim and Michelle that the oatcake was to prevent Lucifarians from being able to triangulate on the position of any human who knows too much. Turns out that Lucifarians are giant shape-shifting lizard aliens that are in control of our government. They are, in this version of the “New World Order” conspiracy, running the show. They are the reason that we are deprived of a cure for cancer. (The cure, according to Dennis, is available to those who have power over what you and I see as the highest echelons of government. They form a secret government of men and lizards who control all of the world's governments. And, while it may have been accidental and independent of Lucifarian technology, Hulda Clark's “Zapper” is still a primitive version of some of that advanced technology. Perhaps Clark should think about purchasing an oatcake to keep them from triangulating on her position…) Because their intentions are to kill off most of the world's population, I suppose withholding or preventing cures for disease serves that purpose.
I have been meaning to write a whole report on this lizard conspiracy. Maybe someday…
Ah yes... I have fond memories of that particular report, as it was one of the many reasons why I joined this board. I shared it with everyone, too... good ol' times. |
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
USA
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Posted - 10/07/2006 : 09:28:42 [Permalink]
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Uncertainty may make you uncomfortable. Certainty makes you ridiculous.
Why not question something for a change?
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H. Humbert
SFN Die Hard
USA
4574 Posts |
Posted - 10/07/2006 : 12:51:34 [Permalink]
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A bit 'o truth:
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Only Darkness (a pseudo creator) would create a realm based on such things. Anything that is "technical" or governed by rules/restrictions (which is everything in the universe) is crude. The True Creator does not need to rely on any rules. That is why the universe is the Matrix--it has rules. It is a virtual reality, as opposed to reality.
When one dies, then goes on to the astral world (the fourth dimension), they are still inside of Darkness's universe. The only way to get out of the universe and into the True Realm is for the universe to be destroyed.
Wow! So even dying won't even get you out of the Matrix. We have to destroy the entire Universe.
Talk about a Doomsday Cult...
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H. Humbert
SFN Die Hard
USA
4574 Posts |
Posted - 10/07/2006 : 12:56:51 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Neurosis
That is truly insane.
Yeah, but in a good way. 
Welcome to the SFN, Neurosis.
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"A man is his own easiest dupe, for what he wishes to be true he generally believes to be true." --Demosthenes
"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself - and you are the easiest person to fool." --Richard P. Feynman
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beskeptigal
SFN Die Hard
USA
3834 Posts |
Posted - 10/08/2006 : 10:59:35 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by dglas
"Ironically, people who call themselves "skeptics" are not truly skeptics; they are only selective skeptics. This is because they may be skeptical about fringe ideas, but they are never skeptical about mainstream ideas or mainstream news. The same applies to debunkers."
Hmmm I am not entirely sure this is not true...
Dglas, on a more serious note here, your perception in this case is naively incorrect.
If you believe serious skeptics don't consider the fringe, tell me where you think such ideas as string theory, branes, multiverses, and singularities came from?
And the idea we are not skeptical of the mainstream just shows your lack of understanding of how things become mainstream. They get there because there is overwhelming evidence supporting them. But even then they are not safe, because there are always researchers pushing the boundaries and gathering new data. Big shifts in the mainstream consensus are not common, but they do occur regularly. As we improve our tools for observation and measurement, we sometimes collect new data that provides a better explanation for something and the conclusions based on the old data must be revised.
For an example, look at geology theories before the discovery of plate tectonics in the 50s. Look at the revisions in astronomy from Earth centered to Sun centered, from circular solar orbits to elliptical solar orbits and so on.
Your conclusion also shows your lack of knowledge about all the evidence against the things you think skeptics merely dismiss out of hand.
There has been serious research into NDEs for example. The evidence points to brain function, not extra-corporeal existence. Serious research has been undertaken in psychic sensing. Most of the intriguing results have just not been repeatable. Statistics have shown there is the same rate of shipwrecks in the Bermuda and the Devil's triangles as would be expected from the amount of traffic.
Some of the so called evidence for ghosts has no basis for the conclusions drawn. How many studies have you seen that look to see what temperature and EMF fluctuations occur in places ghosts have not been reported? Shift fields and look at building heat loss studies which are done to improve energy efficiency. Look at EMF studies done to evaluate the effect it may have on occupational illness or cancers. Put the two together and you will see that claims EMF and temperature fluctuations only occur when ghosts are around is incorrect, and, the idea ghosts are the best explanation for such fluctuations is preposterous.
Astrology has been debunked by the evidence and logic. Junk medicine is debunked by evidence. If a traditional remedy is effective, the evidence will show. And don't start with the BS that research is only funded for patentable drugs because that's a myth. Research dollars come from many places besides big pharma.
Next time you think skeptics have dismissed something out of hand, try a Google search for research on whatever it is. If you can't find any debunking research ask me. I'll find it for you, unless it is something too new to have yet been looked at. In that case, yes, we are skeptical until the evidence is shown to support the belief. |
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Orwellingly Yurz
SFN Regular
USA
529 Posts |
Posted - 10/08/2006 : 15:55:38 [Permalink]
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YO: I maintain a friendly skepticism about this reptilian bull shit.
Or would that be snake shit, or just redundant?
Slitheringly Yurz...for the moment...OY. |
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Ghost_Skeptic
SFN Regular
Canada
510 Posts |
Posted - 10/08/2006 : 22:54:23 [Permalink]
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We need to keep an open mind about these things. I think it is perfectly reasonable to believe that world government is controlled by extra terrestrial lizards - very stupid extra terrestrial lizards. |
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