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HalfMooner
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Posted - 11/09/2006 :  21:14:31  Show Profile Send HalfMooner a Private Message
The Decider-turned-Compromiser has decided to forgo compromise for the moment after all, so long as he still has a lame duck GOP majority in the House and Senate to do his bidding. Since he still has that majority, he's decided to get partisan on the Nations ass, ignore the expressed will of the electorate, and slip some slick moves through before the party's over for the GOP.

In your face, thankless voters!

For starters, Bush will try to slip these through the discredited Congress:

He wants acting UN Ambassador John ("Got Milk?") Bolton, psycho managerial bully and NeoCon hardliner, confirmed as permanent UN Ambassador.

Bush wants the National Security Agency's already active, secret domestic surveillance program to be legalized after the fact by Congress.


Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
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Mycroft
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USA
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Posted - 11/09/2006 :  21:38:32   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Mycroft a Private Message
I'm split on this.

1) I can live with John Bolton. Actually, I kinda like him. Okay, I think the UN deserves him.

2) I can see no reason to continue the warrentless NSA wiretaps. There is simply no good reason not to have FISA court oversight.
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HalfMooner
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Philippines
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Posted - 11/09/2006 :  21:59:17   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send HalfMooner a Private Message
1. Glad we disgree on something.

2. Indeed. FISA was a carefully worked-out compromise between needs of freedom and the clear and present danger of terrorism. Why the Hell not stick with it?


Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
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Mycroft
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USA
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Posted - 11/09/2006 :  23:28:31   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Mycroft a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by HalfMooner
2. Indeed. FISA was a carefully worked-out compromise between needs of freedom and the clear and present danger of terrorism. Why the Hell not stick with it?



In my opinion it's to set the stage for George P. Bush to seize dictatorial control of the United States after his presidential election in 2012 or 2016.*













* Just kidding.
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Original_Intent
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USA
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Posted - 11/10/2006 :  06:10:12   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Original_Intent a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Mycroft

I'm split on this.

1) I can live with John Bolton. Actually, I kinda like him. Okay, I think the UN deserves him.

2) I can see no reason to continue the warrentless NSA wiretaps. There is simply no good reason not to have FISA court oversight.



I agree, both counts.

However, Bolton may well be history.

Peace
Joe
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beskeptigal
SFN Die Hard

USA
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Posted - 11/11/2006 :  20:00:35   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send beskeptigal a Private Message
Bolton is incompetent as a diplomat in a position which requires a competent diplomat. You guys ever heard of the book, "The Ugly American"? Because you would do well to read it or re-read it.


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HalfMooner
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Posted - 11/11/2006 :  21:00:46   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send HalfMooner a Private Message
It's looking more and more as though even the lame duck Congress won't let itself be used by the Commander in Chimp. And here I was all worried.


Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
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Mycroft
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USA
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Posted - 11/11/2006 :  21:36:13   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Mycroft a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by beskeptigal

Bolton is incompetent as a diplomat in a position which requires a competent diplomat. You guys ever heard of the book, "The Ugly American"? Because you would do well to read it or re-read it.



Have you read the book? Or do you only know it by reputation?
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beskeptigal
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USA
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Posted - 11/11/2006 :  23:34:08   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send beskeptigal a Private Message
Read it and saw the movie, though the movie is vague in my memory. Do you really need to ask? Let me guess, you're going to say it's from a different era, it's about communism and a McCarthy type scenario and not relevant to Bolton.

Let me tell you why it is relevant. Bolton and Cheney, Rummy and Wolfowitz for that matter, are all stuck in the past and even then they were wrong. They see the world as either a business partner or anti-US, just substitute terrorism for communism. All the anti-US countries have no life of their own, just anti-US in the egocentric thinking of Bolton and the rest. Those countries have people with wants and needs and lives that don't evolve around the US. We should be treating them as adults not as delinquent children who won't do as they are told. Bolton has made several statements to the effect he sees the world as centering around the US and everything is to be demanded, not negotiated.

So I ask you..do you think I disapprove of Bolton as our chief UN diplomat just because his former employees complained about what a jerk he was or because he previously said the UN could lose 10 floors and nothing would change?

If you said yes to either of those, you'd be wrong. It's his style of bullying, demanding all bow to the US, and his Ugly American attitude of not having a clue what the people he is dealing with are actually about. No knowledge of them, just stereotypical assumptions. That is how he comes across in every news interview I have seen with the man.

Edited by - beskeptigal on 11/11/2006 23:40:15
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