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Valiant Dancer
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Posted - 01/25/2002 :  07:34:18  Show Profile  Visit Valiant Dancer's Homepage Send Valiant Dancer a Private Message
Anyone catch Dateline Thursday the 24th?

The second story was an expose' on "alternative medicine". Most cool. They got really intelligent people to debunk it, too. Including the doctor who founded Quackwatch. They played the claims that were the least wacky. (I've been to the Whole Life Expo in Chicago. The claims they presented by the conventioneers are the least whacked out.) The claims were still outlandish. Then they went to Mexico to see the "Alternative Medicine clinics". One place put you in a dibetic coma for an hour claiming it can cure cancer. (If they screw up, you end up dead or permanantly in a coma.)

The way they were selling this crap made me think that there should be a serious rope shortage in Mexico for these guys. Hang em'. Hang em' high.



James
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Posted - 01/25/2002 :  07:43:27   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send James a Yahoo! Message Send James a Private Message
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The way they were selling this crap made me think that there should be a serious rope shortage in Mexico for these guys. Hang em'. Hang em' high.


I was gonna suggest sending them to the desert to be picked apart by the buzzards and coyotes out there, but I think that'd be cruel and unusual punishment. For the animals.

"Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your common sense." -Buddha
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Marc_a_b
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Posted - 01/25/2002 :  10:27:52   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Marc_a_b an AOL message Send Marc_a_b a Private Message
start of a trend maybe? The Today show earlier this week covered using supliments for prevention of ageing. They quickly ran down a list and a real doctor went over claims and reality for each. There is an acompanying article on their website.

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The Bad Astronomer
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Posted - 01/25/2002 :  14:13:38   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit The Bad Astronomer's Homepage Send The Bad Astronomer a Private Message
On the other hand, this announcement was made at my very own University; read it and weep.

http://www.sonoma.edu/pubs/release/2002/184.html

I am not sure what to do about this.

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Garrette
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Posted - 01/25/2002 :  14:18:13   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Garrette a Yahoo! Message Send Garrette a Private Message
From the announcement:

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She is a pioneer in the field of energy medicine and human consciousness. She holds degrees in journalism, theology, and intuition and energy medicine.



A degree in INTUITION? Perhaps you could forward just this part to the high muckety-mucks at your university. I wouldn't expect them to do anything about this event, but perhaps they'll be more cautious in future.


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Trish
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Posted - 01/25/2002 :  14:23:43   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Trish a Private Message
Question. Who gives degrees in Intuition?

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Slater
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Posted - 01/25/2002 :  14:52:51   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Slater a Private Message
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Question. Who gives degrees in Intuition?



Funny when I was after my degrees it was tuition we were all concerned with. Nothing "in" about it (except being "in" debt)
In Intuition 101 can they give surprise pop quizes?

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Slater
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Posted - 01/25/2002 :  15:03:31   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Slater a Private Message
And what is this all about ?
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Tickets are...free with the purchase Sacred Contracts at Copperfield's

Selling Indulgences in Sonoma?
Come to think of it I like to indulge at the Viansa Winery in Sonoma every chance I get.

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Valiant Dancer
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Posted - 01/25/2002 :  15:14:45   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Valiant Dancer's Homepage Send Valiant Dancer a Private Message
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On the other hand, this announcement was made at my very own University; read it and weep.

http://www.sonoma.edu/pubs/release/2002/184.html

I am not sure what to do about this.

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http://www.badastronomy.com
"With tremendous respect to [the] BA, the problem isn't getting scientists to talk, the problem can be getting them to shut up."



Suggestions.

1) Call the Amazing Randi.

2) Be concerned that your university has had to stoop to begging money from Newagers.

3) See if a reasonable company in the area would like to sponsor an event debunking this one.

4) Make a chalk outline of a body in front of your house. Spread ketchup in and outside the chalk marks liberally. Scatter pamphlets from this "bookstore" around.

5) Get a tee-shirt that says "Going to Hell and comfortable with it."

I'm only half joking, Phil. It's gonna be tinkly crystal newager BS hell there. Good luck.



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Marc_a_b
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Posted - 01/25/2002 :  15:22:01   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Marc_a_b an AOL message Send Marc_a_b a Private Message
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Question. Who gives degrees in Intuition?


And what are the classes like?

They don't tell you where the classroom is, you just go to where you feel it is, if you find it you pass. If you study for a test you automaticaly fail. Grading is done by intuition too.

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Snake
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Posted - 01/25/2002 :  21:42:43   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Snake's Homepage  Send Snake an ICQ Message  Send Snake a Yahoo! Message Send Snake a Private Message
quote:

Anyone catch Dateline Thursday the 24th?
The second story was an expose' on "alternative medicine".


Yes, I'm glad they showed it BUT, it wasn't anything new that hasn't been reported on for the last 20 years or more.
When will people ever learn?
I guess the new generations have to find out all over again or people have to keep being reminded.
Although I can understand the desparation of ill people, having had an aunt who towards the end if she could have, probably would have gone to Mexico.
It's sad that some people have to lie and be greedy to people who are vulnerable.


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Gorgo
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Posted - 01/26/2002 :  09:52:15   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Gorgo a Private Message
I posed this question to Dr. Stephen Barrett. His response was that the five year survival rate for cancer was about 60%. He said that the error was someone else's typo.

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This is from the chat the next afternoon posted at http://www.abcnews.go.com/chat/barrett_intro.html.
The overall 5-year survival rate for cancer is about five years? ? ? ? What did you mean to say Dr. Barrett?

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Roger writes: "The cancer
clinics in Tijuana are an easy pick for quackery. Have you ever researched the results for chemotherapy and radiation treatments? Where can I find documented information on these practices? Exactly how effective are these treatments? Why do
1500 people die each day in the U.S. of cancer with the use of American medical procedures?" Any comment?

DR. STEPHEN BARRETT at 1:11pm ET

The overall 5-year survival rate for cancer is about five years. There are thousands of studies that test different regimens for specific cancers at specific stages. This research is tabulated and is readily available through cancer specialists and through the National Cancer Institute and in medical databases.

The people who promote so-called "alternative" treatments almost never even bother to keep score. If there were any genuine evidence that any "alternative" treatment works, the
medical research community would be the path to the door.


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"Not one human life should be expended in this reckless violence called a war against terrorism." - Howard Zinn
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