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Dr. Mabuse
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Posted - 02/28/2007 :  14:54:47   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Dr. Mabuse an ICQ Message Send Dr. Mabuse a Private Message
I got centrist, just at the corner between liberal and statist.
However, that test was not a good one, other than get a very rough general leaning.

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SFN Die Hard

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Posted - 03/01/2007 :  02:20:45   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send beskeptigal a Private Message
Originally posted by marfknox

... But you gotta think, how many people who call themselves "Libertarian" do it because their views are closer to Libertarianism than Dem or Republican? ...
So I wonder about how extreme the views are of all those people who raised their hands at TAM5, because from my personal experience, I've met more moderate self-declared Libertarians than extreme ones.


This is exactly the point I've been trying to make but however I've worded it has generated a negative response. I doubt very many of the skeptics who claim to be Libertarian are talking the actual party values. I suspect they really espouse the "image" of Libertarian rather than the actual defined ideals such as those that I found in the party platform.

Not that everyone isn't subject to the same in other parties. Republicans claim they are for smaller government yet have a blind spot for big military spending and they don't view the morality laws many Republicans want in the same way they view gun control laws. Democrats claim to be pro-labor and pro-middle class, but they get their campaign funds from the same big corporate donors as the Republicans. It must have influence.

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SFN Die Hard

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Posted - 03/01/2007 :  02:58:04   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Dude a Private Message
marfknox said:
Examples of this would be when he praises how regulations of water have made our tap water so healthy (he did this while denouncing and mocking people who buy bottled water) or when he talked about regulations on foods (while denouncing critics of genetic engineering). He seems to think that some government is good, but that when government gets big it is simply not competent enough to do helpful things without simultaneously doing hurtful things.

Where, exactly, did you get the impression that libertarians were against all government?

The idea, as I understand it, is minimal government. Basic services, national defense, legal system. All kept to the minimum size needed.

Anyone who looks at our government today has to admit that it is retardedly large.

And really... how many democrats does anyone know that agree 100% with the official democrat party line? Same for republicans. Sure, you can find a few, but not many.

beskeptigal is being unreasonable in her assertion that any person who describes themselves as a libertarian should be able to defend the entire official platform. She KNOWS damn well it is unreasonable too. She has a pet peeve against a few libertarian ideas so she uses the FAUXNews tactic of picking the most unreasonable thing and accusing all the people in that party of being unreasonable.

I'm sure she knows very well that the official platform of a political party is decided by a committee. I'm sure she is aware that the most vocal and active people in a party are likely to be on those committees. I'm sure she is aware that all political parties have some people with extreme views. And I'm sure she is aware that platform committees do their best to create a platform inclusive of as many planks as possible as long as they are not contradictory and represent the views of some members of the party.

So what's left appears to be some crazed vendetta against libertarians, much in the same style as the right-wing vendetta against liberals.

Lets face it, there are people in this country who really do believe an unrestricted free market is a good thing, that the US was founded on "christian principles", and that guns are evil.

But you can't rationally crititicize an entire political party because of some things a few people in that party believe.

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SFN Die Hard

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Posted - 03/01/2007 :  06:29:29   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Gorgo a Private Message
Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse

I got centrist, just at the corner between liberal and statist.
However, that test was not a good one, other than get a very rough general leaning.

Very rough.

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