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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard

USA
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Posted - 02/20/2007 :  10:58:38  Show Profile Send Gorgo a Private Message
http://www.newstatesman.com/200702190014
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British military sources told the New Statesman, on condition of anonymity, that "the US military switched its whole focus to Iran" as soon as Saddam Hussein was kicked out of Baghdad. It continued this strategy, even though it had American infantry bogged down in fighting the insurgency in Iraq.


In fact, the real war hasn't ended since the Shah was put into power.

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HalfMooner
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Posted - 02/20/2007 :  11:15:16   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send HalfMooner a Private Message
Well, a "real war" with Iran never began, but a cold war of sorts has been going on since the revolution there. I repeat: Watch for US general officers to resign or retire early, as a sign of an impending hot war (invasion) with Iran. Since such an invasion would be practically impossible, some such officers, probably after after giving their advice, would quit. One or two might even speak out. That's the canary-in-the-mine to watch.


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Gorgo
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Posted - 02/20/2007 :  11:43:55   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Gorgo a Private Message
Actually, if you're on the losing side, as Iran (and Iraq) has been, then it is very real. Many people died in the cold war between the west and Iraq.

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BigPapaSmurf
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Posted - 02/20/2007 :  13:23:17   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send BigPapaSmurf a Private Message
Yeah our war in Iran lasted 8 years and our troops were wearing Iraqi uniforms at the time, but make no mistake we were at war with Iran.

That said, we have been massing ships near Iran in the last week or two and Baghdad Bob's counterpart is saying there is nothing to worry about. Well at least we can end the charade that we are not at war with Islam.

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Mycroft
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Posted - 02/20/2007 :  20:31:06   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Mycroft a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by BigPapaSmurf
Well at least we can end the charade that we are not at war with Islam.



Just because Iran is an Islamic theocracy doesn't make war with Iran the equivalent of war against Islam. That makes about as much sense as saying Korea and Vietnam proves the US was at war with Asians.
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HalfMooner
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Posted - 02/20/2007 :  23:14:43   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send HalfMooner a Private Message
I don't care what the Hell it might be equivalent to, I'm just terrified we'll invade Iran and get creamed! It's a nation roughly three times the size and population of Iraq, and we have never finished subduing Iraq. Invading Iran would be madness.




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Dude
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Posted - 02/20/2007 :  23:36:16   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Dude a Private Message
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Invading Iran would be madness.


There you go again Half, exercising that gift for understatement.


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BigPapaSmurf
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Posted - 02/21/2007 :  05:53:23   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send BigPapaSmurf a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Mycroft

quote:
Originally posted by BigPapaSmurf
Well at least we can end the charade that we are not at war with Islam.



Just because Iran is an Islamic theocracy doesn't make war with Iran the equivalent of war against Islam. That makes about as much sense as saying Korea and Vietnam proves the US was at war with Asians.




I didnt say anything about Asians, because the Vietnam War and Korea were not connected in any way other than their opponent. I stand by my statement made in jest.

"...things I have neither seen nor experienced nor heard tell of from anybody else; things, what is more, that do not in fact exist and could not ever exist at all. So my readers must not believe a word I say." -Lucian on his book True History

"...They accept such things on faith alone, without any evidence. So if a fraudulent and cunning person who knows how to take advantage of a situation comes among them, he can make himself rich in a short time." -Lucian critical of early Christians c.166 AD From his book, De Morte Peregrini
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moakley
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Posted - 02/21/2007 :  07:14:26   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send moakley a Private Message
Scares me to death. With George W. Bush seeking strength from a higher father who knows what this higher father is motivating him to do. I sincerely hope that "Revelationary War" is not imminent.

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Gorgo
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Posted - 02/21/2007 :  07:37:34   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Gorgo a Private Message
quote:
That makes about as much sense as saying Korea and Vietnam proves the US was at war with Asians.


Right. They're not just at war with Asians or members of a particular religion, they're (along with others in the West) at war with anyone in the "Third World" that wish to run their own affairs.

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Mycroft
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Posted - 02/21/2007 :  09:54:45   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Mycroft a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by BigPapaSmurf
I didnt say anything about Asians, because the Vietnam War and Korea were not connected in any way other than their opponent. I stand by my statement made in jest.


Okay, so what evidence do you have that if we were to go to war with Iran, that Islam would have played any role in the decision?
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BigPapaSmurf
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Posted - 02/21/2007 :  11:36:26   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send BigPapaSmurf a Private Message
Well as I noted my statement was made in jest, I do not of course believe that any war is as simple as "at war with Islam". There is however plenty of reason to think that Islam (version X) is the unofficial enemy. Now that the cold war is over we cannot hide behind it as our reason for backing Isreal. The hard reality is that America is enemies with Isreal's enemies and Isreal's enemy is Islam, we just swicthed our justification to anti-terrorism recently. The idea that Isreal is in the right because they dont use classic terrorism is absurd, if you give a fanatic believer the choice of geurilla war or subjugation to a holy enemy, they will choose geurilla war. Those tactics are only frowned upon because we do not use them/are not forced to use them.

Suicide bombers are a Pandora's box and cannot be stopped even if ordained, the majority of them do not do it for religious reasons, but for revenge.

Sorry to take this off-topic, but if Iran didnt want Isreal destroyed we would not be having this conversation.

"...things I have neither seen nor experienced nor heard tell of from anybody else; things, what is more, that do not in fact exist and could not ever exist at all. So my readers must not believe a word I say." -Lucian on his book True History

"...They accept such things on faith alone, without any evidence. So if a fraudulent and cunning person who knows how to take advantage of a situation comes among them, he can make himself rich in a short time." -Lucian critical of early Christians c.166 AD From his book, De Morte Peregrini
Edited by - BigPapaSmurf on 02/21/2007 11:39:04
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Dr. Mabuse
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Posted - 02/21/2007 :  18:52:56   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Dr. Mabuse an ICQ Message Send Dr. Mabuse a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Mycroft

quote:
Originally posted by BigPapaSmurf
Well at least we can end the charade that we are not at war with Islam.



Just because Iran is an Islamic theocracy doesn't make war with Iran the equivalent of war against Islam. That makes about as much sense as saying Korea and Vietnam proves the US was at war with Asians.

You're wrong. BigPapaSmurf didn't say was against Arabs.
Korea and Vietnam wasn't against Asians, it was against a philosophy (political philosophy).
In Iran it will be against a philosophy (religious philosophy).

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Dr. Mabuse
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Posted - 02/21/2007 :  18:55:18   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Dr. Mabuse an ICQ Message Send Dr. Mabuse a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Gorgo

quote:
That makes about as much sense as saying Korea and Vietnam proves the US was at war with Asians.


Right. They're not just at war with Asians or members of a particular religion, they're (along with others in the West) at war with anyone in the "Third World" that wish to run their own affairs.


I think you nailed it Gorgo.

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Gorgo
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Posted - 02/21/2007 :  18:57:19   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Gorgo a Private Message
quote:
Korea and Vietnam wasn't against Asians, it was against a philosophy (political philosophy).


The United States attacked Korea and Vietnam (North and South) against the philosophy of people living their own lives in peace.

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Mycroft
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Posted - 02/21/2007 :  22:37:48   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Mycroft a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse
You're wrong. BigPapaSmurf didn't say was against Arabs.



Nor did I claim he did, however what he did say was just as senseless.

quote:
Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse
In Iran it will be against a philosophy (religious philosophy).



Does that mean you can't think of anything non-religious Iran's government might have done that has exacerbated the situation?
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