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Hawks
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Posted - 02/26/2007 :  14:52:44  Show Profile  Visit Hawks's Homepage Send Hawks a Private Message
One of the William Dembski's chum's and co-bloggers (at uncommondescent) is a certain Denyse O'Leary. She is not a scientist (surprise, surprise) but rather a journalist. Her posts over at uncommondescent are usually a bit too strange to comment on, but this one from Feb 26th is worthy of a mention. She basically writes about how "materialistic" science has failed and how atheists are trying to make up for it by being militant. Some amusing quotes:
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Recently, spurred perhaps by the growing failures of materialism, materialist atheists have attempted to institutionalize their beliefs as a Church of Atheism. And they are full, chock full, of angst.

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Actually, it's hard to tell whether some of these people hate Christians more than they hate each other. Thus I would argue against any atheist getting involved with them, on mental health grounds alone.

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Anyone who so much as wants equal time for evidence for non-materialist views faces a storm - made all the foggier by Christian clergy who wish to converge with the materialists. Perhaps such clergy hope to be eaten last?

Some commenters wrote:
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My personal problem with atheism is that this ideology is extremely aggressive… Of course, Christianity is the first (and easiest) target, because of it's peaceful doctrine…

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The Materialist reflects the lottery in reverse. When it comes to a lottery, each ticket purchaser is desperate to hold the one winning ticket in their sweaty palm. When it comes to life beyond the material, the Materialist is desperate to lose with as many people as possible. Comfort in numbers, somehow.

And they claim to have a monopoly on rationality!!!!!



I think that we should all take Denyse's message to heart. Let's stop being so aggressive and militant. Let's dissolve our church. Let's abandon materialism. Let's be rational (Love the last comment!!! ).

METHINKS IT IS LIKE A WEASEL
It's a small, off-duty czechoslovakian traffic warden!

Neurosis
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Posted - 02/26/2007 :  15:33:09   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Neurosis an AOL message Send Neurosis a Private Message
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And they claim to have a monopoly on rationality!


rational: consistent with or based on or using reason.
reason: cause. a motive for a belief or action.
reasoning: the act of using reason to derive a conclusion from certain premises.
irrational: not consistent with or using reason

What would be the rational cause (or reason) for believing in god? Evidence of that god. Evidence for god presented: 0. Is religion then rational? No.

This is another example of relgion not wanting to be associated with the bad context of a word that accurately describes it. Rational does not mean accurate. So an accurate belief in Bigfoot (if it exists) is not rational.

The most interesting quote I noticed in the quotes was this quote

"The Materialist reflects the lottery in reverse. When it comes to a lottery, each ticket purchaser is desperate to hold the one winning ticket in their sweaty palm. When it comes to life beyond the material, the Materialist is desperate to lose with as many people as possible. Comfort in numbers, somehow."

Christianity is the lottery as it was intended. The people hold their cards hoping to win eternity. The thing about lotteries is that most people loose. There simply are too many options to justify ever playing the lottery, rationally. No atheist wants to play the lottery at all. The evidence of the lottery money even existing is not there. Christians and other religious people desperately play the lottery, knowing in their heart that the numbers they play are lucky, because they do not want to admit that their 9-5 or the hard way of making money is all there is. They desperately seek the easy street, like a lottery junky or a gambler, who cannot be convinced of the odds. They refuse to invest all of that time and thought into a productive entrepreneurship or a career, counting instead on what they 'know' in their heart is their destiny. It is not the atheist that tries to recruit other gamblers, it is the religious that seek to convert everyone into their delusion, a real comfort in numbers. Comfort from the irrationality of belief without evidence (reason).

Another thing is that she claims that atheist are aggressively seeking to end religion or stifle religious evidence. Of course, that is projection. Also, there is no evidence for any religion, elsewise it would not be called faith. Atheist seek freedom from religious oppression in reverse. We do not want the freedom to practice our beliefs, we want freedom not to believe.

Facts! Pssh, you can prove anything even remotely true with facts.
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[God] is an infinite nothing from nowhere with less power over our universe than the secretary of agriculture.
- Prof. Frink

Lisa: Yes, but wouldn't you rather know the truth than to delude yourself for happiness?
Marge: Well... um.... [goes outside to jump on tampoline with Homer.]
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Starman
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Posted - 02/26/2007 :  22:58:44   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Starman a Private Message
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Originally posted by Neurosis

Christianity is the lottery as it was intended. The people hold their cards hoping to win eternity.
Lottery? Three-card Monte is a better analogy.

"Any religion that makes a form of torture into an icon that they worship seems to me a pretty sick sort of religion quite honestly"
-- Terry Jones
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Neurosis
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Posted - 02/27/2007 :  11:16:23   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Neurosis an AOL message Send Neurosis a Private Message
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Originally posted by Starman

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Originally posted by Neurosis

Christianity is the lottery as it was intended. The people hold their cards hoping to win eternity.
Lottery? Three-card Monte is a better analogy.



I was using the original analogy of the atheist lottery. Also, although three-card monte is unwinnable, a scam lottery is a better fit because the choices are so large. Just as any series of numbers can come up, any or any combination of religious ideas could be right, but most will be wrong by default. In this lottery, there has never been a way to determine if any nunmber combination, or religious combination, can win as there may not even be a jackpot.

Almost no one would play three-card monte and certainly not all their lives as some do with the lottery every week.

Facts! Pssh, you can prove anything even remotely true with facts.
- Homer Simpson

[God] is an infinite nothing from nowhere with less power over our universe than the secretary of agriculture.
- Prof. Frink

Lisa: Yes, but wouldn't you rather know the truth than to delude yourself for happiness?
Marge: Well... um.... [goes outside to jump on tampoline with Homer.]
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