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the_ignored
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Posted - 02/19/2002 :  03:28:19  Show Profile Send the_ignored a Private Message
Did anyone ever hear of some guy named Loyd Carpenter, who claims that there are a series of "pictures" that more or less make up the ocean floor? He was on (of course!) Art Bell's show "Coast-to-Coast" on Sun Feb 17. He has a book out called: "Ocean Floor Mysteries : The Amazing Mystery of the Great FACE on the Pacific Ocean" (A Sermon in Stone). The picture shown does sort of look like a face--the question is, how much so? He brags that "not even atheists" can explain it.

He even went on about his being a suscriber to the "Skeptical Inquirer", and that he showed his findings to Madalyn Murray O'Hair who (he said) had to admit it looked "designed".

He goes on to say that the people he "respects" are those atheists who look at his findings and admit that there is no "natural" explanation. Typical fundamentalist; only those who take their point of view are worthy of respect!

Is it just more bull, or an "honest mistake" by a guy who sees what he wants to see?

Of more interest, he says there are even more pictures relating to "scripture".

His site is: "http://www.spiralupdatenews.com"

The address for his book is here: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0965962709/coasttocoastam/104-4254376-1967955

Lars_H
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Posted - 02/19/2002 :  04:14:09   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Lars_H a Private Message
The Human brain works in a way that lets you see faces everywere you look:

Clouds, vegetable, the Moon, On Mars, a map of Spain and Portugal.

That does not mean that any of those were designed to look like human heads, it means that it has been a survival trait for humans to recognize human faces and sometimes you get false positives.

In my experience there are sometimes people who try to convince us of stupid things that have made 'honest mistakes'.

There are however few who have made 'honest mistakes' and then try to earn money with it. Publishing books on the subject like he did is usually a good sign of somebody who is neither honest nor espescially mistaken in the way he has found to dupe dumb people out of money.

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Tokyodreamer
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Posted - 02/19/2002 :  07:51:39   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Tokyodreamer a Private Message
It's called pareidolia.

http://www.skepdic.com/pareidol.html

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Valiant Dancer
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Posted - 02/19/2002 :  08:46:43   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Valiant Dancer's Homepage Send Valiant Dancer a Private Message
quote:

Did anyone ever hear of some guy named Loyd Carpenter, who claims that there are a series of "pictures" that more or less make up the ocean floor? He was on (of course!) Art Bell's show "Coast-to-Coast" on Sun Feb 17. He has a book out called: "Ocean Floor Mysteries : The Amazing Mystery of the Great FACE on the Pacific Ocean" (A Sermon in Stone). The picture shown does sort of look like a face--the question is, how much so? He brags that "not even atheists" can explain it.

He even went on about his being a suscriber to the "Skeptical Inquirer", and that he showed his findings to Madalyn Murray O'Hair who (he said) had to admit it looked "designed".

He goes on to say that the people he "respects" are those atheists who look at his findings and admit that there is no "natural" explanation. Typical fundamentalist; only those who take their point of view are worthy of respect!

Is it just more bull, or an "honest mistake" by a guy who sees what he wants to see?

Of more interest, he says there are even more pictures relating to "scripture".

His site is: "http://www.spiralupdatenews.com"

The address for his book is here: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0965962709/coasttocoastam/104-4254376-1967955





When did he allege to have shown the pictures to O'Hair? If it's after 1995, he's full of crap.



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Lisa
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Posted - 02/19/2002 :  08:56:48   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Lisa a Private Message
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When did he allege to have shown the pictures to O'Hair? If it's after 1995, he's full of crap.


Maybe John Edward helped him.
Lisa

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filthy
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Posted - 02/19/2002 :  09:13:02   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message
Lisa, ya beat me to it!

I seem to have heard of Carpenter, but don't recall the connection.

"Beauty is in the eye of the beholder (as is Ugly)." People mostly see what they're looking for.

Of course there's an explanition. A great deal of sediment falls to the ocean floor. Much of it is contured, rather than flat. Get the light at a good angle, and you just might find a face.

Why don't these charectors get into something revelent, indeed fascinating, like the heat vents in the abyss that support an incredable ecosystem.

Yeesh!

f

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DVF
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Posted - 02/19/2002 :  09:34:45   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send DVF a Private Message
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Why don't these charectors get into something revelent, indeed fascinating, like the heat vents in the abyss that support an incredable ecosystem.


Incredible ecosystem my ass. I used to love watching and reading about the fascinating aray of exotic deep sea creatures. Then one day I'm watching a documentary on the deep see vents and they show this virtual carpet of huge shrimp. Very cool. Then they started talking about how these organisms lived in superheated water kept liquid at over 350^ by pressure and it dawned on me. How the hell do you cook the damned things?

Millions of dollars and countless man-hours of research and they find animals you can't cook? All this time I've been an ardent supporter of research and exploration in to new environments, both terrestrial and extraterrestrial, because we may find new life there, and that life may be tasty. What a dissapointment.

Um... Is that my beer?

Edited by - dvf on 02/19/2002 09:35:55
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Tokyodreamer
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Posted - 02/19/2002 :  09:56:19   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Tokyodreamer a Private Message
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All this time I've been an ardent supporter of research and exploration in to new environments, both terrestrial and extraterrestrial, because we may find new life there, and that life may be tasty. What a dissapointment.


Right on!

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filthy
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Posted - 02/19/2002 :  09:57:41   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message
(hehehe)

They'd probably taste like sulpher anyway (sour grapes).

It is thought in some quarters that life on earth might have started in just such an enviroment. Speculation of course, but thought provoking none the less.

f

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Valiant Dancer
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Posted - 02/19/2002 :  10:50:04   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Valiant Dancer's Homepage Send Valiant Dancer a Private Message
quote:

quote:
Why don't these charectors get into something revelent, indeed fascinating, like the heat vents in the abyss that support an incredable ecosystem.


Incredible ecosystem my ass. I used to love watching and reading about the fascinating aray of exotic deep sea creatures. Then one day I'm watching a documentary on the deep see vents and they show this virtual carpet of huge shrimp. Very cool. Then they started talking about how these organisms lived in superheated water kept liquid at over 350^ by pressure and it dawned on me. How the hell do you cook the damned things?

Millions of dollars and countless man-hours of research and they find animals you can't cook? All this time I've been an ardent supporter of research and exploration in to new environments, both terrestrial and extraterrestrial, because we may find new life there, and that life may be tasty. What a dissapointment.

Um... Is that my beer?

Edited by - dvf on 02/19/2002 09:35:55



crock pot at 400 for 12 hours. Salt to taste with a nice white wine sauce.



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Trish
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Posted - 02/19/2002 :  11:44:08   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Trish a Private Message
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crock pot at 400 for 12 hours. Salt to taste with a nice white wine sauce.


Thought that would be the pressure cooker.

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Xev
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Posted - 02/19/2002 :  13:33:44   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Xev an ICQ Message Send Xev a Private Message
Raw. Don't bother cooking them.

Oh yes, the question:

Probably a bit of both, an honest mistake that matured into BS.

Thought constitutes the greatness of man -Pascal
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Trish
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Posted - 02/19/2002 :  16:15:23   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Trish a Private Message
OK. I can't cook anyway, so I suppose I'd have to dine out.

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