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JohnOAS
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Australia
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Posted - 06/10/2006 :  18:39:36   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit JohnOAS's Homepage Send JohnOAS a Private Message
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Originally posted by filthy
And it must be remembered: There. Is. No. Such. Thing. As. Tamper. Proof. Someone, somewhere will find a way to beat it.


Amen to that, Filthy!

Some people get paid to beat them. Some do it for nefarious purposes, others, somewhat strangely, purely for the exercise.

People are always quick to condemn this technology/system or another. What most people don't realise is that most "new" technologies are primarily facilitators. Rarely do they allow you to actually do something you couldn't do before. However, being able to do something in a few seconds that used to take minutes, hours, or even longer seems "new", and is certainly attractive.

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Originally posted by filthy
The more rigorous the safeguards, the greater the sense of security they inspire, and the greater and conceivably more distasterous the aftermath when that security is foiled.




This is true, but I don't think it constitutes a reason not to develop more rigorous safeguards. We simply have to remember that nothing is foolproof (trust me, they'll always make a better fool) or engineer proof.

Somewhere along the line, people will be involved. People are almost always the weakest link. Them damn machines almost always do what you tell them to, even if it's not what you meant them to do.

John's just this guy, you know.
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filthy
SFN Die Hard

USA
14408 Posts

Posted - 06/10/2006 :  19:12:02   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message
True John, true. I am reminded....:

"The machine is never wrong. Only it's designers and it's operators can be wrong."




"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)

"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres


"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude

Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,

and Crypto-Communist!

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Pernicious
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Posted - 06/10/2006 :  22:10:12   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Pernicious a Private Message
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Originally posted by filthy

True John, true. I am reminded....:

"The machine is never wrong. Only it's designers and it's operators can be wrong."







Or another favorite quote of mine:

"A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools."

Douglas Adams

If I was the Supreme Being, I wouldn't muck about with butterflies and dandelions, I'd start with lasers, eight o'clock, Day One!
-Time Bandits
Edited by - Pernicious on 06/10/2006 22:10:40
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verlch
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Posted - 06/10/2006 :  22:58:24   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send verlch an AOL message Send verlch a Private Message
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I have seen, on the forearms of elderly Jews I've met, the closest thing to the "mark of the beast" that humanity has yet come up with: The numeric tattoos of concentration camp survivors. Let's keep whatever perspective we can. In my opinion, those tattooed numbers were a lot more "Biblical" (as in Old Testament-style genocide) and chilling, than the mere "tamper-proof" ID cards Bush is calling for. Implanted RFID chips in immigrants might also come close to being a bestial mark in this secular person's mind.





Wow, you threw me for a loop calling Bush secualr. You see right through his fake Christianity?

What came first the chicken or the egg?

How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?

There are no atheists in foxholes

Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.

For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4

II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!

Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?

Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.

We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.

"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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filthy
SFN Die Hard

USA
14408 Posts

Posted - 06/11/2006 :  02:14:11   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message
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Originally posted by verlch

quote:
Originally posted by HalfMooner

I have seen, on the forearms of elderly Jews I've met, the closest thing to the "mark of the beast" that humanity has yet come up with: The numeric tattoos of concentration camp survivors. Let's keep whatever perspective we can. In my opinion, those tattooed numbers were a lot more "Biblical" (as in Old Testament-style genocide) and chilling, than the mere "tamper-proof" ID cards Bush is calling for. Implanted RFID chips in immigrants might also come close to being a bestial mark in this secular person's mind.





Wow, you threw me for a loop calling Bush secualr. You see right through his fake Christianity?

Hmm, yes.... A Christian of convenience, I think.

I recall the great to-do that was made over his being 'born again' under the tutelage of Franklin Graham. I further recall that it is easier for a gibbering psychopath spouting gospel to get into public office than any atheist.




"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)

"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres


"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude

Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,

and Crypto-Communist!

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