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the_ignored
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Posted - 08/23/2008 :  21:10:56  Show Profile Send the_ignored a Private Message  Reply with Quote
What fun. Right now I'm debating some character on a religious site (though he himself is not religious and seems to be no friend to those who are) who keeps claiming, no matter how many times he's told otherwise, that "evolutionists" subconsiously pick and choose the tests for the theory of evolution to make sure that evolution always passes.

There are two posts where this is argued:
One is here and the other is here.

You'll be able to twig on pretty quick who this guy is.

His claim is basically this: Scientists don't make predictions to test the theory of evolution until they know that the results will be what they want.

I say he's spreading a conspiracy theory (his accusation follows the format) and he keeps whining about that instead of answering a question that would help settle the debate. He even accuses me of not actually wanting an answer to the question even though I keep asking it. Until he said that, I thought I wasn't dealing with an idiot. Now I wonder...

Why in blazes am I posting this here? Well, he's seen fit to complain about me on his blog, so I thought I'd return the favour.

That, and I'm venting...


>From: enuffenuff@fastmail.fm
(excerpt follows):
> I'm looking to teach these two bastards a lesson they'll never forget.
> Personal visit by mates of mine. No violence, just a wee little chat.
>
> **** has also committed more crimes than you can count with his
> incitement of hatred against a religion. That law came in about 2007
> much to ****'s ignorance. That is fact and his writing will become well
> know as well as him becoming a publicly known icon of hatred.
>
> Good luck with that fuckwit. And Reynold, fucking run, and don't stop.
> Disappear would be best as it was you who dared to attack me on my
> illness knowing nothing of the cause. You disgust me and you are top of
> the list boy. Again, no violence. Just regular reminders of who's there
> and visits to see you are behaving. Nothing scary in reality. But I'd
> still disappear if I was you.

What brought that on? this. Original posting here.

Another example of this guy's lunacy here.

Edited by - the_ignored on 08/23/2008 21:52:09

Dave W.
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Posted - 08/23/2008 :  23:10:33   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I tried to help.

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the_ignored
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Posted - 08/24/2008 :  00:35:34   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send the_ignored a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Thanks. Though guess what? He still won't answer, and he's blaming me for his refusal to answer.


>From: enuffenuff@fastmail.fm
(excerpt follows):
> I'm looking to teach these two bastards a lesson they'll never forget.
> Personal visit by mates of mine. No violence, just a wee little chat.
>
> **** has also committed more crimes than you can count with his
> incitement of hatred against a religion. That law came in about 2007
> much to ****'s ignorance. That is fact and his writing will become well
> know as well as him becoming a publicly known icon of hatred.
>
> Good luck with that fuckwit. And Reynold, fucking run, and don't stop.
> Disappear would be best as it was you who dared to attack me on my
> illness knowing nothing of the cause. You disgust me and you are top of
> the list boy. Again, no violence. Just regular reminders of who's there
> and visits to see you are behaving. Nothing scary in reality. But I'd
> still disappear if I was you.

What brought that on? this. Original posting here.

Another example of this guy's lunacy here.
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filthy
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Posted - 08/24/2008 :  03:45:45   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I read through as much of that site as I could and now my eyeballs need a drink.

Ig, you will never get an admission of anything from this goober that isn't a part of his slop-bucket, word view. But you could invite him here -- if he thinks he can debunk atheists & evolution, this is a pretty good place to do it. Just blathering on his site is preaching to the choire (asuming he has a choire); you got to get out amongst 'em to have any effect, one way or another.

I've done that; gone to their sites and argued. It's always the same, tired straw men mired in the same clown-show of hand-waving that we've seen so many times.

I note that he's in advertizing for his bread & butter swindle and I find myself mildly amused that he's using a take-off on DI's Expelled, No Intelligence Allowed logo. When you think about it, it fits, albeit not as he intended.



There. I've poisoned that well!





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"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres


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the_ignored
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Posted - 08/24/2008 :  06:14:55   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send the_ignored a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Close. It's not Dan I'm arguing against so much, it's another guy. Dave W went to his site.


>From: enuffenuff@fastmail.fm
(excerpt follows):
> I'm looking to teach these two bastards a lesson they'll never forget.
> Personal visit by mates of mine. No violence, just a wee little chat.
>
> **** has also committed more crimes than you can count with his
> incitement of hatred against a religion. That law came in about 2007
> much to ****'s ignorance. That is fact and his writing will become well
> know as well as him becoming a publicly known icon of hatred.
>
> Good luck with that fuckwit. And Reynold, fucking run, and don't stop.
> Disappear would be best as it was you who dared to attack me on my
> illness knowing nothing of the cause. You disgust me and you are top of
> the list boy. Again, no violence. Just regular reminders of who's there
> and visits to see you are behaving. Nothing scary in reality. But I'd
> still disappear if I was you.

What brought that on? this. Original posting here.

Another example of this guy's lunacy here.
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filthy
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Posted - 08/24/2008 :  06:59:10   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by the_ignored

Close. It's not Dan I'm arguing against so much, it's another guy. Dave W went to his site.


Ah, I see. I'm tempted to join the fray, as, apart from taking a few random & futile pot-shots at UD, I've not done it in a long time.

Might be a fun diversion from the madness of moving my digs.




"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)

"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres


"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude

Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,

and Crypto-Communist!

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the_ignored
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Posted - 08/24/2008 :  10:15:03   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send the_ignored a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Dave W.

I tried to help.


He's replied.


>From: enuffenuff@fastmail.fm
(excerpt follows):
> I'm looking to teach these two bastards a lesson they'll never forget.
> Personal visit by mates of mine. No violence, just a wee little chat.
>
> **** has also committed more crimes than you can count with his
> incitement of hatred against a religion. That law came in about 2007
> much to ****'s ignorance. That is fact and his writing will become well
> know as well as him becoming a publicly known icon of hatred.
>
> Good luck with that fuckwit. And Reynold, fucking run, and don't stop.
> Disappear would be best as it was you who dared to attack me on my
> illness knowing nothing of the cause. You disgust me and you are top of
> the list boy. Again, no violence. Just regular reminders of who's there
> and visits to see you are behaving. Nothing scary in reality. But I'd
> still disappear if I was you.

What brought that on? this. Original posting here.

Another example of this guy's lunacy here.
Edited by - the_ignored on 08/24/2008 10:15:34
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Dave W.
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Posted - 08/24/2008 :  13:24:40   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message  Reply with Quote
And I replied back. We'll see how well my accusation of hypocrisy goes over.

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filthy
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Posted - 08/24/2008 :  15:01:00   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
This could get good. I think I'll just play the innocent bystander for a while.




"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)

"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres


"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude

Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,

and Crypto-Communist!

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moakley
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Posted - 08/24/2008 :  16:52:58   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send moakley a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Dave W.

And I replied back. We'll see how well my accusation of hypocrisy goes over.
You don't need my affirmation, but your reply is as good as it gets. If he replies at all he will either have to ignore the substance of your reply or start back peddling.

Life is good

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Dave W.
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Posted - 08/24/2008 :  18:28:44   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by moakley

You don't need my affirmation, but your reply is as good as it gets.
Thanks! But reading it over again, I wish I could edit it. "Evolitionary?" Damn.
If he replies at all he will either have to ignore the substance of your reply or start back peddling.
And both of those responses are the sort of thing we see all the time in denialists. I'd like to at least see something new.

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Dave W.
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Posted - 08/24/2008 :  22:24:06   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message  Reply with Quote
His latest and my response. If he lets himself get pinned down on what he means by "overarching concept," he'll have to find another way to move the goalposts.

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the_ignored
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Posted - 08/25/2008 :  00:41:56   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send the_ignored a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Well I've responded to him here.

You can tell my patience is wearing thin. You should have seen the original reply!


>From: enuffenuff@fastmail.fm
(excerpt follows):
> I'm looking to teach these two bastards a lesson they'll never forget.
> Personal visit by mates of mine. No violence, just a wee little chat.
>
> **** has also committed more crimes than you can count with his
> incitement of hatred against a religion. That law came in about 2007
> much to ****'s ignorance. That is fact and his writing will become well
> know as well as him becoming a publicly known icon of hatred.
>
> Good luck with that fuckwit. And Reynold, fucking run, and don't stop.
> Disappear would be best as it was you who dared to attack me on my
> illness knowing nothing of the cause. You disgust me and you are top of
> the list boy. Again, no violence. Just regular reminders of who's there
> and visits to see you are behaving. Nothing scary in reality. But I'd
> still disappear if I was you.

What brought that on? this. Original posting here.

Another example of this guy's lunacy here.
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filthy
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Posted - 08/25/2008 :  05:34:26   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Ok, I'm in. My anti hasn't made it into the pot yet -- I assume it's under moderation.




"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)

"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres


"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude

Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,

and Crypto-Communist!

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BigPapaSmurf
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Posted - 08/25/2008 :  06:35:05   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send BigPapaSmurf a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Man a bunch of thugs, pounding this poor guy with logic, have you no heart!?

"...things I have neither seen nor experienced nor heard tell of from anybody else; things, what is more, that do not in fact exist and could not ever exist at all. So my readers must not believe a word I say." -Lucian on his book True History

"...They accept such things on faith alone, without any evidence. So if a fraudulent and cunning person who knows how to take advantage of a situation comes among them, he can make himself rich in a short time." -Lucian critical of early Christians c.166 AD From his book, De Morte Peregrini
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Dave W.
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Posted - 08/25/2008 :  11:04:00   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Perhaps predictably, his reply was about nothing but the "conspiracy theory," so I tried to set him right to get us back to the evidence for his claims (whatever they really are).

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