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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
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 Posted - 10/02/2008 : 21:04:36 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by calebjones1234
Again, who thinks that Obama is going to do for you when he instead allows his own family to live in poverty whilst he lives in riches garnered from Freddy and Fanny? |
So wait-- if your dad leaves your family when you're two and he moves back to his home country. You last see him when you're ten, and he later dies in a car crash. You find out later that during that time, he had perhaps as many as four more wives and nine more children. And this guy-- who may or may not be the real deal-- now comes forward and says he's related? And Obama is now supposed to support him, now?
Now doubt when you win the lottery, Caleb, and your second cousin whom you last met at that family reunion back in '85 comes asking for a cut, you're be sure to buy him that house he's asking for, right???
(Note to caleb: You can lie and say "yes" since no one will be able to challenge you on a hypothetical.) |
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Kil
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Posted - 10/02/2008 : 21:08:40 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by calebjones1234
Again, who thinks that Obama is going to do for you when he instead allows his own family to live in poverty whilst he lives in riches garnered from Freddy and Fanny?
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I hate trick questions. Would you like to rephrase the question or are you just so biased that you cant.
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calebjones1234
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Posted - 10/02/2008 : 21:28:03 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Cuneiformist
So wait-- if your dad leaves your family when you're two and he moves back to his home country.
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His dad moved to the East coast of America, not Kenya.
You have now admitted that Obama is a bastard child of a loser. Was that your intention?
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calebjones1234
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Posted - 10/02/2008 : 21:30:28 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Kil
Originally posted by calebjones1234
Again, who thinks that Obama is going to do for you when he instead allows his own family to live in poverty whilst he lives in riches garnered from Freddy and Fanny?
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I hate trick questions. Would you like to rephrase the question or are you just so biased that you cant.
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I am not certain what you think I was asking.
Obama is a rich corrupt politician that allows his own family to live in poverty, why would anyone think that he is also not going to fleece you?
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
USA
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Posted - 10/03/2008 : 00:16:06 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by calebjones1234
Originally posted by Cuneiformist
So wait-- if your dad leaves your family when you're two and he moves back to his home country.
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You have now admitted that Obama is a bastard child of a loser. Was that your intention?
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You mean like Alexander Hamilton and Leonardo da Vinci? Oh no!
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
Philippines
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Posted - 10/03/2008 : 02:40:24 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by calebjones1234
Any moron would understand that Obama is a neocon.
What do you think a Neo Con is?
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WTF?
Yes, I do, but you, I won't enlighten.  |
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Here's a link to Moonscape News, and one to its Archive. |
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calebjones1234
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Posted - 10/03/2008 : 06:24:06 [Permalink]
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A Neo Con is a domestic socialist and an American Empire builder.
Obama is a domestic socialist.
Obama states that he will continue the expansion of American Empire, particularly stating that he may need to invade Pakistan. |
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
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Posted - 10/03/2008 : 07:01:16 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by calebjones1234
Again, who thinks that Obama is going to do for you when he instead allows his own family to live in poverty... |
Granny looks like she's pretty flush and happy, you think she should be forced to move from her home? And I'd be hard-pressed to say that Obama should feel much responsibility for one of his father's other kids, born 21 years after Barack to a different mother. The difference, of course, is that Obama is asking to take responsibility for the nation, he most likely didn't ask his dad to have another child.| ...whilst he lives in riches garnered from Freddy and Fanny? |
$126K is "riches?" If "several thousand" is just 3,000, then $126,349 could pay Obama's campaign staff Federal minimum wage for just seven hours, 11 minutes and 57.7 seconds. The FMs, in effect, paid for one day's campaigning.
Sure, that kind of money could do a lot if given to just a couple people over in Africa, but George sounds like he'd be insulted by it, and Granny seems to be doing just fine.
Besides, what do you think would be the reaction of the American people if Obama took campaign contributions and used them to buy George a house? |
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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
USA
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Posted - 10/03/2008 : 07:39:38 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by calebjones1234
Originally posted by Cuneiformist
So wait-- if your dad leaves your family when you're two and he moves back to his home country. |
His dad moved to the East coast of America, not Kenya. |
From the Post:| He last saw his father in 1971, when he was 10 years old. Remarried and living in his native Kenya, Barack Obama Sr. sent word that he wanted to visit his son in Hawaii over Christmas. |
| You have now admitted that Obama is a bastard child of a loser. Was that your intention? |
I have admitted no such thing. That you have resorted to irrelevant (and factually untrue) incendiary remarks demonstrates that you have no actual argument at all.
This is hardly surprising, but it is entertaining to see you continually make yourself look so foolish. |
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bngbuck
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USA
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Posted - 10/03/2008 : 07:55:32 [Permalink]
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cabaljeromes.....
My god, you have become bitter, nasty, and despicably contumelious since you were banned from this forum some time ago. You told me you would be back, and I must congratulate you on successfully obfuscating the identity of your computer and it's server so they cannot be traced to your previous registry. You christian crazies stick together, don't you?
But jeezuz, Jerome! Obama's whore of a mother? Bastard child of a loser? Better not run that racial gutter hate rant past your Christian Sunday School class! By and large, racist hate-mongers are being renounced by the more mainstream of the Christian delusionaries today. I guess the fundamentalist cretins of your congregation aren't exactly mainstream, though, are they?
I am really, really disappointed in you, Jerome There was a time when I had hopes for the possibility that you would eventually approach some degree of intellectual maturity! Your ravings in this thread have destroyed all that!
There still are a few straight laces dangling from this site, and you really should be banned (again) for racial and ideological pornography! |
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Siberia
SFN Addict
Brazil
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Posted - 10/03/2008 : 07:58:56 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Cuneiformist
| You have now admitted that Obama is a bastard child of a loser. Was that your intention? |
I have admitted no such thing. That you have resorted to irrelevant (and factually untrue) incendiary remarks demonstrates that you have no actual argument at all.
This is hardly surprising, but it is entertaining to see you continually make yourself look so foolish.
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Y'know, I happen to be the bastard child of a loser.
In fact, I happen to be in a situation similar to that of Mr. Obama, family-wise. White mother (unmarried), black father, father bailed out, remarried, fathered other children, then bailed out again and left them. I happen to have a good life, no thanks to daddy dearest, and I'm afraid my siblings do not have as good a life as I do.
I suppose you could say my mother is a whore because she never married and my older sister is not my father's child, either. I suppose you could say I am a heartless harridan because I do not fret over the fate of the half-siblings I hardly even know. Perhaps I am.
I suppose I wouldn't care less about your opinion, if you did.
And, y'know, I couldn't care less about Mr. Obama's family life, either. What he does with his family is his own problem and his own conscience. He's putting himself up as future president of the United States; I'm more interested in knowing if he's qualified for his job than whether he sees his half-siblings, for the sake of, y'know, the rest of the world and all.
Then again, I'm not American. But I hope he wins, if only to annoy the living hell out of smug pricks such as yourself. |
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
USA
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Posted - 10/03/2008 : 08:14:27 [Permalink]
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McCain Aide's Firm Was Paid by Freddie Mac
I wonder if McCain feels cheated because he only received $22,000 directly from Fannie and Freddy? But then, McCain is not big on regulations so from Fanny and Freddy's point of view, he is already a friend of theirs.
Also, he has a campaign staff loaded with Freddy and Fanny lobbyists, including his campaign manager.
WASHINGTON — One of the giant mortgage companies at the heart of the credit crisis paid $15,000 a month from the end of 2005 through last month to a firm owned by Senator John McCain's campaign manager, according to two people with direct knowledge of the arrangement.
The disclosure undercuts a statement by Mr. McCain on Sunday night that the campaign manager, Rick Davis, had had no involvement with the company for the last several years. |
Opps. Here is a breakdown of the 2008 Campaign Contributions from Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae. Seems McCain is coming out on top!
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Simon
SFN Regular
USA
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Posted - 10/03/2008 : 08:58:40 [Permalink]
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Just get to prove that Republicans are better liars than the dems... But we did know that already.
To answer to Caleb; even if an answer will be useless, he is a fucking troll. At best, it will force him to get a different 'argument'. More likely he will ignore it:
-The amount Obama received from Freddy/Fanny is pretty low by the standard of a presidential contributions.
-McCain, apparently, received even more money, he just was better at lying about it.
-It never was his money. It was money given to his campaign and he had not the freedom to use it as he please.
-He never had any duties toward his family.
-Americans should not elect him because they hope he will give them part of his personal money but because they hope he will drive the country in the right direction. So, even without all the other points, your 'argument' would have no bearing as to whereas Obama is a good candidate. |
Look again at that dot. That's here. That's home. That's us. On it everyone you love, everyone you know, everyone you ever heard of, every human being who ever was, lived out their lives. The aggregate of our joy and suffering, thousands of confident religions, ideologies, and economic doctrines, every hunter and forager, every hero and coward, every creator and destroyer of civilization, every king and peasant, every young couple in love, every mother and father, hopeful child, inventor and explorer, every teacher of morals, every corrupt politician, every "superstar," every "supreme leader," every saint and sinner in the history of our species lived there – on a mote of dust suspended in a sunbeam.
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H. Humbert
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 10/03/2008 : 10:56:35 [Permalink]
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I know the moderators are loath to ban anyone, but I have no qualms about being to the first to ask that the racist piece of filth calebjones be banned. He adds nothing to these boards but aggravation. He doesn't even follow his own arguments. He just spews bullshit at random. Whether he actually is Jerome or not I could care less. He acts just like him, and that's all that matters. Just ban the asshole. No warnings are needed, as he's been a troll since day one. (Really, calling Obama's mother a whore? Calling Obama a bastard? Is there any point there other than to try to be as despicable as possible?) To me this isn't even a difficult decision. Just ban him and be done with it. The SFN will be immediately better off for it.
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Simon
SFN Regular
USA
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 Posted - 10/03/2008 : 11:04:19 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by calebjones1234
A Neo Con is a domestic socialist and an American Empire builder.
Obama is a domestic socialist.
Obama states that he will continue the expansion of American Empire, particularly stating that he may need to invade Pakistan.
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You; obviously, have a fancy definition of 'socialist'.
Was Reagan hiding a hammer in his pants, or was it a sickle?
And I am still not sure how, without the most retarded hyperbole, Obama could be described as socialistic (especially from somebody who then attack his imagined selfishness).
As for building the 'American Empire'...
Should the US close their bases in Koweit and Saudi Arabia?
What about those in South Korea; Japan; Germany?
Should they give Guantanamo Bay to Cuba?
Withdraw from Puerto Rico? Hawaii?
Give Alaska back to Russia? Texas; New-Mexico; California back to Mexico?
How far back should the expansion of American interest rolled?
The US are not firmly present in Iraq and Afghanistan. It would be retarded not to acknowledge these facts.
Obama seems wanting to change this policy; but these changes must be based on reality.
Iraq is currently getting a lot of money from oil. For this reason, it make sense that they will be able to take charge reasonably early (not to mention Obama's political reason to favour a withdrawal).
Afghanistan, after three decades of uninterrupted war, is not going to be able to take care of itself anytime soon. Furthermore, an increase in violence and in the Taliban's presence there make the withdrawal of the US from there difficult to imagine.
Similarly, the situation in Pakistan might evolve to present an actual threat to the US's interests.
So, keeping and even extending the American presence there is a necessity.
I don't think that it is Obama's liking. But it is the reality he has to deal with; I don't think it means anything about Obama being a neo-con.
According to Wikipedia:
In United States, [neo-cons] align themselves with most conservative values, such as free market, limited welfare, and traditional cultural values. Their key distinction is on international affairs; they prefer a proactive approach internationally that would protect the national interests. |
I really don't see anything that suggests Obama.
In fact, you first argument; describes Obama as the opposite of a neo-con.
The second one is barely better considering that Obama's position on the international issues. Trying to keep an existing mess under control is not proactive. Not by any stretch.
You really do not seem to have anything even looking vaguely like an actual argument. Apparently; you like to make weird; outlandish; non-sensical claims and laugh at us for treating them like an actual argument.
The rest of the time, you just spout insults.
I guess it is partly my fault for playing your weird game rather than just ignoring you...
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Look again at that dot. That's here. That's home. That's us. On it everyone you love, everyone you know, everyone you ever heard of, every human being who ever was, lived out their lives. The aggregate of our joy and suffering, thousands of confident religions, ideologies, and economic doctrines, every hunter and forager, every hero and coward, every creator and destroyer of civilization, every king and peasant, every young couple in love, every mother and father, hopeful child, inventor and explorer, every teacher of morals, every corrupt politician, every "superstar," every "supreme leader," every saint and sinner in the history of our species lived there – on a mote of dust suspended in a sunbeam.
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Obama's "Kenyan Citizenship"
