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the_ignored
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Posted - 10/17/2008 :  07:50:33  Show Profile Send the_ignored a Private Message  Reply with Quote
All I can say is: WTF?

Would gays themselves be covered under the way they've worded their little notice, would they?

This is so strange on so many levels. How would one be able to tell an "ex-gay" to be able to discriminate against in the first place?


>From: enuffenuff@fastmail.fm
(excerpt follows):
> I'm looking to teach these two bastards a lesson they'll never forget.
> Personal visit by mates of mine. No violence, just a wee little chat.
>
> **** has also committed more crimes than you can count with his
> incitement of hatred against a religion. That law came in about 2007
> much to ****'s ignorance. That is fact and his writing will become well
> know as well as him becoming a publicly known icon of hatred.
>
> Good luck with that fuckwit. And Reynold, fucking run, and don't stop.
> Disappear would be best as it was you who dared to attack me on my
> illness knowing nothing of the cause. You disgust me and you are top of
> the list boy. Again, no violence. Just regular reminders of who's there
> and visits to see you are behaving. Nothing scary in reality. But I'd
> still disappear if I was you.

What brought that on? this. Original posting here.

Another example of this guy's lunacy here.

Bill scott
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Posted - 10/17/2008 :  10:21:04   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Bill scott a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by the_ignored

All I can say is: WTF?

Would gays themselves be covered under the way they've worded their little notice, would they?

This is so strange on so many levels. How would one be able to tell an "ex-gay" to be able to discriminate against in the first place?




Can't all the gays/ex-gays just get along? I mean you got the ex-gays who are persecuted by the current gays and then you have the current gays who are persecuted for being gay by the closet Republican gays and then you have the Republican closet gays being persecuted by the openly gay democrats for persecuting the current gays all while they are closet gays themselves. (Breath) And then you have the openly gay democrats who are persecuted by the closet Republican ex-gays... Sheeese. Where does it end?

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Edited by - Bill scott on 10/17/2008 10:34:06
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Simon
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Posted - 10/17/2008 :  12:22:18   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Simon a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Well... If ex-gay are being discriminated against; of course they need to be protected. Obviously.
That being said... I wonder exactly who might be discriminating specifically against ex-gays according to the original article, they consider themselves being victims mostly of current gays; I guess that would be the term.

One of their biggest complain is that the law will protect from discrimination based on sexual orientation and, being not gay but ex-gay, they think that they are not cover.
Well, a)Being ex-gay makes you heterosexual and as such part of the majority and pretty much protected already. b) the law mention orientation, orientation includes heterosexual orientation just as much as homosexual one...


Seems like a weird and politically motivated ploy...

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Bill scott
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Posted - 10/17/2008 :  12:36:13   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Bill scott a Private Message  Reply with Quote
So where does protection for the male lesbians fall in all of this?

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filthy
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Posted - 10/17/2008 :  12:48:49   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I can tell you when it will end, Bill. It will end when everybody ceases to concern themselves with other people's consentual love lives -- in short, stop being perverted shitheads.




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Bill scott
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Posted - 10/17/2008 :  12:52:41   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Bill scott a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by filthy

I can tell you when it will end, Bill. It will end when everybody ceases to concern themselves with other people's consentual love lives -- in short, stop being perverted shitheads.






Are you refering to the gays or ex-gays here?

"Lets get one thing clear, Bill. Science does make some assumptions." -perrodetokio-

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filthy
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Posted - 10/17/2008 :  13:24:13   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Bill scott

Originally posted by filthy

I can tell you when it will end, Bill. It will end when everybody ceases to concern themselves with other people's consentual love lives -- in short, stop being perverted shitheads.






Are you refering to the gays or ex-gays here?
What's the difference? I really don't know nor care, as it doesn't concern me nor mine, and shouldn't concern you. If homosexuality is really a choice, and I very much doubt that, they are doing as they please within the law and harming no one other than the phoney sensibilities of those such as Fred Phelps & Donald Wildemon, and that Perkins clown, et al. Those ones, y'know, that are trapped in their closets, never to know the pleasure of their inclinations. Screw 'em. Let them sleep in the sterile beds that they made and would make for others, both gay and straight, and society can move on without them.




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Dude
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Posted - 10/17/2008 :  22:14:54   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Dude a Private Message  Reply with Quote
bs said:
Are you refering to the gays or ex-gays here?

He's talkin' 'bout you billy!


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bngbuck
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Posted - 10/17/2008 :  23:34:02   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send bngbuck a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Bill scott.....

What is your view of homosexuality? Do you dare make a general statement here?
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HalfMooner
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Posted - 10/18/2008 :  00:58:16   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send HalfMooner a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by the_ignored

All I can say is: WTF?

Would gays themselves be covered under the way they've worded their little notice, would they?

This is so strange on so many levels. How would one be able to tell an "ex-gay" to be able to discriminate against in the first place?


Perhaps they are positioning to defend religiously-sanctified "ex-gays" from being outed as actually being plain old continuing gays?




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Posted - 10/18/2008 :  00:59:22   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send HalfMooner a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Bill scott

So where does protection for the male lesbians fall in all of this?
Good one, Bill. I'm glad you care. As one of those, I want to know.


Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
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Edited by - HalfMooner on 10/18/2008 01:00:23
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Hawks
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Posted - 10/18/2008 :  06:44:08   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Hawks's Homepage Send Hawks a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by HalfMooner

Originally posted by Bill scott

So where does protection for the male lesbians fall in all of this?
Good one, Bill. I'm glad you care. As one of those, I want to know.



What about ex-male lesbians?

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bngbuck
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Posted - 10/18/2008 :  10:11:07   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send bngbuck a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hawks and Mooner.....

I confess to be a closet homosexual male lesbian female transvestite hominid impersonator yearning to walk free.

Can you help me?
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HalfMooner
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Posted - 10/18/2008 :  15:58:55   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send HalfMooner a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Hawks

Originally posted by HalfMooner

Originally posted by Bill scott

So where does protection for the male lesbians fall in all of this?
Good one, Bill. I'm glad you care. As one of those, I want to know.



What about ex-male lesbians?
You mean "ex-male" or "ex-lesbian"?

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HalfMooner
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Posted - 10/18/2008 :  16:00:04   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send HalfMooner a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by bngbuck

Hawks and Mooner.....

I confess to be a closet homosexual male lesbian female transvestite hominid impersonator yearning to walk free.

Can you help me?
Excuse my while I continue to parse that, bngbuck.


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Hawks
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Posted - 10/19/2008 :  08:47:29   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Hawks's Homepage Send Hawks a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by HalfMooner
You mean "ex-male" or "ex-lesbian"?

Why NOT?

...

There is a subtle joke in here that I doubt that even hard-core logicians will find amusing.

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