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filthy
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Posted - 11/11/2008 :  12:11:07  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
It must have been a miracle because according to the Bible, some 4300 years or so ago, Egypt was under water. Or very recenty was. Or soon would be..... Well, wasn't it?
SAQQARA, Egypt – Egypt's chief archaeologist has announced the discovery of a 4,300-year-old pyramid in Saqqara, the sprawling necropolis and burial site of the rulers of ancient Memphis.









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chaloobi
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Posted - 11/12/2008 :  06:00:15   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send chaloobi a Yahoo! Message Send chaloobi a Private Message  Reply with Quote
That's strange. That pic triggered the memory of a dream I had some time in the last couple days. In it I was watching a discovery channel type program that was examining a wood pecker pecking in extreme slow motion. It was a very realistic dream and I had completely forgotten it before this moment.

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filthy
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Posted - 11/12/2008 :  08:24:18   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by chaloobi

That's strange. That pic triggered the memory of a dream I had some time in the last couple days. In it I was watching a discovery channel type program that was examining a wood pecker pecking in extreme slow motion. It was a very realistic dream and I had completely forgotten it before this moment.
Yeh, that comic tweaked my funnybone, but brought forth no dream. Noah did have his travails, didn't he?

Oh, and the woodpecker looks to be an ivory-billed.






"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)

"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres


"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude

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Edited by - filthy on 11/12/2008 08:28:39
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chaloobi
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Posted - 11/12/2008 :  08:59:39   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send chaloobi a Yahoo! Message Send chaloobi a Private Message  Reply with Quote
At some point even the ding dong with the strongest faith is going to have to recognize that this shit makes not sense. Why have some guy make a boat, cram every friggin' animal in the world into it, and then flood the whole damn planet just because god wanted to get a fresh start with humanity? It's not just implausibly unnecessary, physically impossible, and lacking in any geological or archeological evidence, it's also monumentally stupid. It's a FUN story, to be sure. It evokes cool images and incredible godly powers, but it's a really dumb idea.

It reminds me of theater science fiction. Take the Empire Strikes Back. Those Imperial Walkers they attacked the rebels on Hoth with looked really cool, but militarily, they were profoundly stupid. Or take space combat in general - real space wars with technology on that scale would be fought not just without sound but at such distances you'd never see your enemy. What did Han Solo say about hyperspace? If you don't make the calculations right, you might fly right into the center of a star? Why not take a medium sized space ship, make the calculations just so, and fly it into the center of the Death Star? Battle's over. But that's not very fun or intersting to the common guy who loves to watch special effects.

The Noah story has the same feel - it's not meant to be a recounting of actual events, it's meant to impress and entertain people. Plain and simple. The problem is putting such value on Faith. Yeah, you have to have Faith for big powerful religions to survive over time in the face of the embarrassing facts that God never shows up, never does miracles, and the world never ends or gets any less sinful. Faith helps keep the fantasy going, but it also institutionalizes delusion about things that just don't matter; delusions that are hurting science that DOES matter. GRRRR.

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pleco
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Posted - 11/12/2008 :  09:05:43   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit pleco's Homepage Send pleco a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I call shenanigans Filthy, there are no dinos in that photograph of the Ark.

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filthy
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Posted - 11/12/2008 :  12:24:54   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by pleco

I call shenanigans Filthy, there are no dinos in that photograph of the Ark.
Don't blame me; I didn't draw it!

[apologetics] The dinos were transported as eggs and were kept below decks under broody petrosaurs like commercial game birds cared for by bantam hens. [/apologetics]

Hey, that's as good an explanation as anything AiG has come up with to date.




"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)

"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres


"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude

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chaloobi
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Posted - 11/12/2008 :  13:09:23   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send chaloobi a Yahoo! Message Send chaloobi a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by filthy

Originally posted by pleco

I call shenanigans Filthy, there are no dinos in that photograph of the Ark.
Don't blame me; I didn't draw it!

[apologetics] The dinos were transported as eggs and were kept below decks under broody petrosaurs like commercial game birds cared for by bantam hens. [/apologetics]

Hey, that's as good an explanation as anything AiG has come up with to date.




I was under the impression that the dinosaurs were left behind by Noah and were all drowned in the flood. Get your facts straight Filthy.

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filthy
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Posted - 11/12/2008 :  13:48:32   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by chaloobi

Originally posted by filthy

Originally posted by pleco

I call shenanigans Filthy, there are no dinos in that photograph of the Ark.
Don't blame me; I didn't draw it!

[apologetics] The dinos were transported as eggs and were kept below decks under broody petrosaurs like commercial game birds cared for by bantam hens. [/apologetics]

Hey, that's as good an explanation as anything AiG has come up with to date.




I was under the impression that the dinosaurs were left behind by Noah and were all drowned in the flood. Get your facts straight Filthy.
Got 'em straight. According to Answers in Genesis, the ultimate authority on all pertaining to arks & stuff, they were certainly aboard:
So, were dinosaurs on the Ark?
In Genesis 6:19–20, the Bible says that two of every sort of land vertebrate (seven of the “clean” animals) were brought by God to the Ark. Therefore, dinosaurs (land vertebrates) were represented on the Ark.
How can such logic possibly be refuted?




"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)

"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres


"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude

Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,

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Edited by - filthy on 11/12/2008 13:51:02
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chaloobi
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Posted - 11/13/2008 :  08:23:04   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send chaloobi a Yahoo! Message Send chaloobi a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by filthy

How can such logic possibly be refuted?




Indeed.

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BigPapaSmurf
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Posted - 11/13/2008 :  12:19:09   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send BigPapaSmurf a Private Message  Reply with Quote
For he IS the Kwisatz Haderach!


Sorry couldnt help myself, carry on.

"...things I have neither seen nor experienced nor heard tell of from anybody else; things, what is more, that do not in fact exist and could not ever exist at all. So my readers must not believe a word I say." -Lucian on his book True History

"...They accept such things on faith alone, without any evidence. So if a fraudulent and cunning person who knows how to take advantage of a situation comes among them, he can make himself rich in a short time." -Lucian critical of early Christians c.166 AD From his book, De Morte Peregrini
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filthy
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Posted - 11/13/2008 :  13:09:38   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by BigPapaSmurf

For he IS the Kwisatz Haderach!


Sorry couldnt help myself, carry on.
Heh, it's been so long since I've read Dune, I had to look Kwisatz Haderach up.




"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)

"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres


"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude

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Dr. Mabuse
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Posted - 11/13/2008 :  14:21:04   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Dr. Mabuse an ICQ Message Send Dr. Mabuse a Private Message  Reply with Quote
SciFi-channel's tv-version, http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0142032 is really good.

David Lynch had over 5 hours of reel that had to be cut down to 2hrs, with disasterous results. The three-hour version I managed to get a hold on is better, but still can't measure up to the book. The scifi-channel version get's closer.


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Simon
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Posted - 11/13/2008 :  14:24:51   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Simon a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse

SciFi-channel's tv-version, http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0142032 is really good.

David Lynch had over 5 hours of reel that had to be cut down to 2hrs, with disasterous results. The three-hour version I managed to get a hold on is better, but still can't measure up to the book. The scifi-channel version get's closer.


What we need; is to get Peter Jackson on the job.

Look again at that dot. That's here. That's home. That's us. On it everyone you love, everyone you know, everyone you ever heard of, every human being who ever was, lived out their lives. The aggregate of our joy and suffering, thousands of confident religions, ideologies, and economic doctrines, every hunter and forager, every hero and coward, every creator and destroyer of civilization, every king and peasant, every young couple in love, every mother and father, hopeful child, inventor and explorer, every teacher of morals, every corrupt politician, every "superstar," every "supreme leader," every saint and sinner in the history of our species lived there – on a mote of dust suspended in a sunbeam.
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Siberia
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Posted - 11/13/2008 :  17:59:25   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Siberia's Homepage  Send Siberia an AOL message  Send Siberia a Yahoo! Message Send Siberia a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse

SciFi-channel's tv-version, http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0142032 is really good.

David Lynch had over 5 hours of reel that had to be cut down to 2hrs, with disasterous results. The three-hour version I managed to get a hold on is better, but still can't measure up to the book. The scifi-channel version get's closer.



I never saw any of the screen versions, but the books are awesome.
And then he died.

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BigPapaSmurf
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Posted - 11/14/2008 :  06:27:23   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send BigPapaSmurf a Private Message  Reply with Quote
There was one glaring error in the TV version, (not children that was awful) Paul and Chani go out into open desert with no suits on, it would never happen.

The 1984 extended version was very good IMO, however the ending where it rains is like having a song and dance number at the end of The Godfather. "Gonna paint that wagon..." The set Designs on that movie were just awesome, particularly the palace on Arrakis.

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"...things I have neither seen nor experienced nor heard tell of from anybody else; things, what is more, that do not in fact exist and could not ever exist at all. So my readers must not believe a word I say." -Lucian on his book True History

"...They accept such things on faith alone, without any evidence. So if a fraudulent and cunning person who knows how to take advantage of a situation comes among them, he can make himself rich in a short time." -Lucian critical of early Christians c.166 AD From his book, De Morte Peregrini
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Hittman
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Posted - 11/14/2008 :  08:55:16   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Hittman's Homepage Send Hittman a Private Message  Reply with Quote
At some point even the ding dong with the strongest faith is going to have to recognize that this shit makes not sense.

You'd think so. But it seldom happens. Consider that their whole lives are wrapped around this. It's not just some concept they can easily discard for it's absurdity. Their wives, children, friends, and often employer are all part of this, and to discard the stupidity means discarding their entire world. With a price that high most people will find some way to rationalize their belief, and baring that, using the faith excuse.

David Lynch had over 5 hours of reel that had to be cut down to 2hrs, with disasterous results.


The disaster is in the first two words of that sentence. David Lynch is overrated and frequently horrible. The Elephant Man was good, and Blue Velvet was great, but Twin Peaks was lousy, and Mulholland Drive was horrible.

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