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On fire for Christ
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Posted - 01/08/2009 :  17:59:43  Show Profile Send On fire for Christ a Private Message  Reply with Quote
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/lincolnshire/7817378.stm

no suggestion of meteorites in the article?

HalfMooner
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Posted - 01/08/2009 :  21:22:12   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send HalfMooner a Private Message  Reply with Quote
First, I give no credence at all to observations of any "UFOlogists."

I more respectfully disagree with a comment in the article that, "To make one of these blades fall off, or to bend it, takes a lot." Indeed, these turbines are engineered finely to be just strong enough, to keep down weight, cost, and maintenance, while keeping efficiency high. Since these operate in remote areas without many people nearby, making them (usually) just strong enough makes good sense. The turbines are often made of cutting-edge composite materials, and problems such as delamination are common and still relatively poorly understood with many of these new materials.

A few months back, there was a widely-watched video of a wind turbine disintegrating in normal usage, with no collision involved.

I imagine that in this case, one blade broke off, then on the way down hit the other blade, which can be seen to be bent.

No mystery involved, except for the exact cause of the structural failure. The lies of woo "witnesses" don't enter into it.

On the other hand, OffC, that fellow in your sig looks capable of ripping up a wind turbine by main force.


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Randy
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Posted - 01/08/2009 :  22:59:24   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Randy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Ah, the old 'UFO of the gaps' fallacy.

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On fire for Christ
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Posted - 01/09/2009 :  00:39:31   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send On fire for Christ a Private Message  Reply with Quote
this was also front page news in "The Sun" (Britain's most popular newspaper). The main reason I suggested meteorite was because the missing blade has not been found and also 'strange lights' were seen.

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filthy
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Posted - 01/09/2009 :  02:58:18   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message  Reply with Quote


From the link:
The turbine is one of 20 at the Conisholme site, which has been only been fully operational since April 2008. The broken blade has been recovered and is being examined.

Local ufologists said they had received many reports of activity in the area and had teams searching for clues.


And:
He said that if the turbine blade was still, it would take the equivalent of a 10-tonne load to do that kind of damage, but if it was rotating, or hit by a moving object, the force could be a lot less.

He said of the possible cause: "It's definitely not a bird. It could be ice thrown from a neighbouring turbine that struck it.

"Most turbines have an anti-icing system on the blades and maybe it failed to prevent the ice build-up."

The Ministry of Defence said it was not looking into the incident.
The blade has been recovered and being examined, and UFOlogists(?) always see lights in the sky -- it goes with the territory of woo-woo. In this case, there are too many other possibilities to blithely accept a Marvin the Martin conjecture.

At this point, I rather like the failed de-icing system hypothesis. It fits the known facts better, thus far.

We shall see.




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pleco
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Posted - 01/09/2009 :  07:45:44   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit pleco's Homepage Send pleco a Private Message  Reply with Quote
When/If a rational explanation is offered, the ufologists will scream conspiracy, look to quotemine, and offer their own explanations without any proof. They and the creationists are twins separated at birth.

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On fire for Christ
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Posted - 01/09/2009 :  08:19:00   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send On fire for Christ a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Yes, it was the article in The Sun (Britain's most popular newspaper) that said the blade had not been found.

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chaloobi
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Posted - 01/09/2009 :  08:46:58   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send chaloobi a Yahoo! Message Send chaloobi a Private Message  Reply with Quote
It's stupid to jump to the conclusion a UFO must have done this. The correct conclusion to reach when something happens you don't understand is god did it. What's wrong with these idiots?

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pleco
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Posted - 01/09/2009 :  08:58:04   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit pleco's Homepage Send pleco a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by HalfMooner

On the other hand, OffC, that fellow in your sig looks capable of ripping up a wind turbine by main force.



Probably would use the left arm, since it is quite a bit longer than the right. But I thought a strong left arm/hand was a sign of the devil?

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Hawks
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Posted - 01/09/2009 :  09:43:40   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Hawks's Homepage Send Hawks a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Why not invoke quantum effects - another favorite in woo-land.

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Ricky
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I more respectfully disagree with a comment in the article that, "To make one of these blades fall off, or to bend it, takes a lot." Indeed, these turbines are engineered finely to be just strong enough, to keep down weight, cost, and maintenance, while keeping efficiency high.


Half, I would imagine they would also be engineered to be resilient, especially in the face of harsh weather conditions. In the video from the BBC, the interviewee remarks that it would take something about the size and weight of a cow.

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On fire for Christ
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Posted - 01/09/2009 :  10:31:20   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send On fire for Christ a Private Message  Reply with Quote
so you're saying that the only explanation is that a cow hit it. Possibly while being 'beamed' aboard a vehicle i.e. spacecraft etc?

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filthy
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Posted - 01/09/2009 :  11:25:52   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by On fire for Christ

so you're saying that the only explanation is that a cow hit it. Possibly while being 'beamed' aboard a vehicle i.e. spacecraft etc?
Heh, I 'spect that we might hear such nonsense before it's over with.

There are variables in play here. The speed of the blade as it turns lessens the amount of impact it would take to break it, and the speed of the object would lessen it still more, and then consider the angle of the strike and it's placement, and it might not take something anywhere near cow-sized to do it. That's assuming that there was not a manufacturing defect in the blade to start with.

Far too many other explanations that make sense to grasp the extra-terrestrial visitors straw.




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Dr. Mabuse
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Posted - 01/09/2009 :  16:49:14   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Dr. Mabuse an ICQ Message Send Dr. Mabuse a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Until whatever hit that blade is identified it will surely be an Unidentified Flying Object.


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HalfMooner
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Posted - 01/09/2009 :  17:50:06   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send HalfMooner a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse

Until whatever hit that blade is identified it will surely be an Unidentified Flying Object.


True, unless it was a Spontaneously Delaminating Vane.


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Dr. Mabuse
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Posted - 01/10/2009 :  02:38:58   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Dr. Mabuse an ICQ Message Send Dr. Mabuse a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I was looking for a film-clip of the flying cow from Monty Python's The Holy Grail on YouTube, but didn't find any short snippet of just the cow...

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