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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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 Posted - 01/27/2009 : 13:10:35
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Wherein the creator of the Creation Museum fallacy bemoans the decline of religion in general and the Christian delusion in particular -- a Ham hissy-fit. What, a picture of Charles Darwin on a $10 U.S. bill—along with the words, “In Man we Trust”? Surely, that wouldn't happen in the United States?
Well, it's already happened to some extent in the United Kingdom. British society, including most of its churches, has enthusiastically embraced Darwin's ideas and in essence is trusting in man rather than God. Since 2000, Darwin's image has appeared on England's £10 pound note!
Now, here in America, doesn't the Pledge of Allegiance say “one nation under God”? Yes, but does that statement still largely hold true for this country? Let's look.
America, as you know, was built on the foundation of God's Word—the Bible. Verses like Psalm 40:4 (“Blessed is that man who makes the LORD his trust”) and Psalm 56:11 (“In God I have put my trust”) led to the phrase “In God We Trust” being placed on U.S. currency.
I also discovered a couple of years ago (when standing in the U.S. Capitol's chamber of the House of Representatives) that a relief sculpture of Moses faces the Speaker of the House (and thus also faces the president when he gives his annual State of the Union address).
These are reminders of how important God's law was in determining the foundational principles for this nation.
But America has changed its foundation.
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Yeah, cry me a river, liar. What is it the Bible says; something about following false prophets, isn't it? That day is approachinng and the likes of you and your ilk roam the land and pollute the national discourse with falsehood at every opportunity. And now you whine like a kicked dog because not everyone, sectarian and secular alike, is buying it.
Oh yeah, cry me a fucking river; I love it!
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
and Crypto-Communist! 
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the_ignored
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Posted - 02/01/2009 : 01:28:32 [Permalink]
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On a related note, Ham talks about how Attenborough is getting hate mail from creationists, but look how he plays it:
| It would be interesting to know what proportion of letters that he gets from creationists actually use such intemperate language. I suspect that it would be a very small number. (Though one harsh, unloving email or letter is one too many.) The implication of his comments is that creationists are people who use hateful language.1 |
You bet he has a footnote for that for which he plays the martyr again:
| Of course, evolutionist hate mail/email is common at Answers in Genesis. For example, an atheist named G.G wrote to our website "If there was a hell you would certainly be going there for promoting such wanton mindlessness and comfortable stupidity." I received an email from an evolutionist saying, "I'm glad you are no longer a science teacher. You should be fined and punished for destroying children's minds with creationist lies." Even a so-called evangelical newspaper in the U.K. felt able to publish a letter in December 2008 accusing Ken Ham, AiG -- U.S. president, of "telling creationist lies." While it is shameful that Sir David has received such hate mail (particularly from people claiming to be Christians!), hate mail is certainly not an unusual thing when it comes to charged topics. |
Note that the guy "suspects" that hate mail from creationists (at least to Attenborough) are a "very small number". He provides no actual evidence of that, and as an example of the "common" hate mail that "evolutionists" give to AIG he gives two examples and a mention of an unflattering paper article.
Well, let's see just how rare creationist hate mail really is.
Need I also remind people of the flap that PZ Myers got over the cracker incident?
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>From: enuffenuff@fastmail.fm
(excerpt follows):
> I'm looking to teach these two bastards a lesson they'll never forget.
> Personal visit by mates of mine. No violence, just a wee little chat.
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> **** has also committed more crimes than you can count with his
> incitement of hatred against a religion. That law came in about 2007
> much to ****'s ignorance. That is fact and his writing will become well
> know as well as him becoming a publicly known icon of hatred.
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> Good luck with that fuckwit. And Reynold, fucking run, and don't stop.
> Disappear would be best as it was you who dared to attack me on my
> illness knowing nothing of the cause. You disgust me and you are top of
> the list boy. Again, no violence. Just regular reminders of who's there
> and visits to see you are behaving. Nothing scary in reality. But I'd
> still disappear if I was you.
What brought that on? this. Original posting here.
Another example of this guy's lunacy here. |
| Edited by - the_ignored on 02/02/2009 03:57:43 |
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H. Humbert
SFN Die Hard
USA
4574 Posts |
 Posted - 02/01/2009 : 02:18:20 [Permalink]
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I love how just accusing Ham of lying and harming children counts as hate mail. Since when is criticism hate? I guess he calls anything negative "hate mail."
Notice too how Attenborough only makes a quick reference to ill tempered and ill-informed letters, while Ham feels the need to provide us with multiple examples.  Can't pass up the opportunity to get in a good whine.
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"A man is his own easiest dupe, for what he wishes to be true he generally believes to be true." --Demosthenes
"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself - and you are the easiest person to fool." --Richard P. Feynman
"Face facts with dignity." --found inside a fortune cookie |
| Edited by - H. Humbert on 02/01/2009 02:19:05 |
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
Philippines
15831 Posts |
Posted - 02/01/2009 : 03:12:10 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by the_ignored
Well, let's see just how rare creationist hate mail really is. |
Looks like AiG now conrols the "noanswersingenesis.org" domain. Scumbags.
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“Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
Here's a link to Moonscape News, and one to its Archive. |
| Edited by - HalfMooner on 02/01/2009 03:13:02 |
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the_ignored
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Posted - 02/01/2009 : 04:57:31 [Permalink]
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Huh. I did a "whois" on both "No Answers in Genesis" and "Answers in Genesis" site. It looks like you're right, but that makes no sense. NoAIG has all sorts of stuff on their site shooting down creationism, specifically Answers in Genesis.
One would think that if AIG owned both domains, they'd shut Stear's site down.
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>From: enuffenuff@fastmail.fm
(excerpt follows):
> I'm looking to teach these two bastards a lesson they'll never forget.
> Personal visit by mates of mine. No violence, just a wee little chat.
>
> **** has also committed more crimes than you can count with his
> incitement of hatred against a religion. That law came in about 2007
> much to ****'s ignorance. That is fact and his writing will become well
> know as well as him becoming a publicly known icon of hatred.
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> Good luck with that fuckwit. And Reynold, fucking run, and don't stop.
> Disappear would be best as it was you who dared to attack me on my
> illness knowing nothing of the cause. You disgust me and you are top of
> the list boy. Again, no violence. Just regular reminders of who's there
> and visits to see you are behaving. Nothing scary in reality. But I'd
> still disappear if I was you.
What brought that on? this. Original posting here.
Another example of this guy's lunacy here. |
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
Philippines
15831 Posts |
Posted - 02/01/2009 : 05:04:16 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by the_ignored
Huh. I did a "whois" on both "No Answers in Genesis" and "Answers in Genesis" site. It looks like you're right, but that makes no sense. NoAIG has all sorts of stuff on their site shooting down creationism, specifically Answers in Genesis.
One would think that if AIG owned both domains, they'd shut Stear's site down.
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Right now "noanswersingenesis.org" diverts directly to AiG.
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“Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
Here's a link to Moonscape News, and one to its Archive. |
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the_ignored
SFN Addict
2562 Posts |
Posted - 02/01/2009 : 05:10:52 [Permalink]
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Ah. Here's the reason: The URL to the main page of the "No Answers in Genesis" site is:
http://www.noanswersingenesis.org.au/index.htm
You need the whole URL to get to Stear's site, which is in Australia.
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>From: enuffenuff@fastmail.fm
(excerpt follows):
> I'm looking to teach these two bastards a lesson they'll never forget.
> Personal visit by mates of mine. No violence, just a wee little chat.
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> **** has also committed more crimes than you can count with his
> incitement of hatred against a religion. That law came in about 2007
> much to ****'s ignorance. That is fact and his writing will become well
> know as well as him becoming a publicly known icon of hatred.
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> Good luck with that fuckwit. And Reynold, fucking run, and don't stop.
> Disappear would be best as it was you who dared to attack me on my
> illness knowing nothing of the cause. You disgust me and you are top of
> the list boy. Again, no violence. Just regular reminders of who's there
> and visits to see you are behaving. Nothing scary in reality. But I'd
> still disappear if I was you.
What brought that on? this. Original posting here.
Another example of this guy's lunacy here. |
| Edited by - the_ignored on 02/01/2009 05:26:16 |
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
Philippines
15831 Posts |
Posted - 02/01/2009 : 05:26:10 [Permalink]
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Aha! When I couldn't get to Fil's link above, I simply backspaced over the URL until I got to "org". I missed noticing that "au" part. So it looks as though AiG has preemptively glommed onto plain "noanswersingenesis.org," which is not that unfair a tactic.
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“Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
Here's a link to Moonscape News, and one to its Archive. |
| Edited by - HalfMooner on 02/01/2009 05:26:30 |
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Cry me a river, scumbag!
