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filthy
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Posted - 02/03/2009 :  05:05:36  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
You can always tell when a creationist has run out of argument, for he will come up with this insult to cognitive thinking:

"3 February 2009
51% of UK population sceptical of evolution - Theos report
Andrew Sibley
According to a Theos report, highlighted in the UK's Telegraph, “More than half of the public believe that the theory of evolution cannot explain the full complexity of life on Earth, and a “designer” must have lent a hand, the findings suggest.” Rather amusingly, Richard Dawkins thinks it acceptable to insult half the population expressing “dismay at the findings of the ComRes survey, of 2,060 adults, which he claimed were confirmation that much of the population is “pig-ignorant” about science”ng ‘Pig Ignorant' over Darwin . Adam Rutherford follows Dawkins into use of insulting language to describe his fellow human beings. Rutherford's response - “Another day, another creationism survey. Godly thinktank Theos have conjured yet another set of figures that reveal just how dim Britain is when it comes to evolution.” He said."


I wonder where these peckerheads get the idea that science is a democracy. But I chuckle a bit because as soon as they spew it forth, it renders their whole argument into a logical fallacy. They ever keep bringing it on though; it impresses the rubes, I suppose. But aren't they just the most adorable things when they try it and get all red in the face & everything?

Got a little bonus on this one: Tough Titty!




"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)

"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres


"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude

Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,

and Crypto-Communist!


Edited by - filthy on 02/03/2009 05:07:28

HalfMooner
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Philippines
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Posted - 02/03/2009 :  05:47:14   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send HalfMooner a Private Message  Reply with Quote
As if the Fundies (and that's all the IDers are) would allow their church congregations to decide doctrine by voting. Funny, argument from popularity doesn't seem to apply there.

Even if science operated via democratic procedures, Creos would have just as many votes as scientists do about Christian doctrine.

That "bonus" item: Gee, do you suppose that Billy D. is jealous of Judge Jones, the same judge he was sacred silly to face under oath?

And let me just guess why Jones, and not Ben Stein, got a string of honorable degrees from accredited universities.

Hmmm... could it have something to do with the fact that Jones did an honest job in the Dover case, while Ben Stein lies his crooked, Nixon-speech-writer ass off for his god? Stein's a lying shit of a loser. He quote-mined Darwin to the point of deliberate dishonesty, and Dembski wants Stein to be rewarded for this by scholars?

These cdesign proponentsists dig a hole in the ground, take a crap in it, and jump in head-first. Then they cry heart-rending complaints about being forcefully dipped in shit.

Poor fellows.


Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
Here's a link to Moonscape News, and one to its Archive.
Edited by - HalfMooner on 02/03/2009 05:49:03
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chaloobi
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Posted - 02/03/2009 :  05:48:42   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send chaloobi a Yahoo! Message Send chaloobi a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Part of the reason ID/Creationism has so much traction is creationists and scientists play a different game. Creationism relies on easily accessible stories that appeal viscerally to emotion. Science relies on observation and experimentation, reaching conclusions independant of simplicity or popularity. No wonder more Britons (and Americans) like Creationism, it's easier and it feels better. Duh.

Regarding popularity of Church doctrine, the system that allows religions to thrive is no accident or dictatorial regimen. This stuff has been fine tuned over the ages to appeal to people deeply, to capture them at a young age and stick with them for life. It's like a parasite that co-evolved with the rest of human culture - a system that found a means to leach onto civilization and ride along.

-Chaloobi

Edited by - chaloobi on 02/03/2009 05:53:26
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HalfMooner
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Philippines
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Posted - 02/03/2009 :  05:53:37   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send HalfMooner a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by chaloobi

Part of the reason ID/Creationism has so much traction is creationists and scientists play a different game. Creationism relies on easily accessible stories that appeal viscerally to emotion. Science relies on observation and experimentation, reaching conclusions independant of simplicity or popularity. No wonder more Britons (and Americans) like Creationism, it's easier and it feels better. Duh.
And you don't even have to understand an iota of your scriptures, but simply to Believe. No heavenly extra credit for scholarship.


Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
Here's a link to Moonscape News, and one to its Archive.
Edited by - HalfMooner on 02/03/2009 05:54:37
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chaloobi
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Posted - 02/03/2009 :  09:22:16   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send chaloobi a Yahoo! Message Send chaloobi a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by HalfMooner

Originally posted by chaloobi

Part of the reason ID/Creationism has so much traction is creationists and scientists play a different game. Creationism relies on easily accessible stories that appeal viscerally to emotion. Science relies on observation and experimentation, reaching conclusions independant of simplicity or popularity. No wonder more Britons (and Americans) like Creationism, it's easier and it feels better. Duh.
And you don't even have to understand an iota of your scriptures, but simply to Believe. No heavenly extra credit for scholarship.


They can't be understood. They were conceived and passed by oral tradition for centuries by people who were vastly different from those who finally wrote them down. And the original writers are vastly different from us today. Then there's the edits that had to be done to knit together the OT BS to the NT BS so everyone could pretend it's all one long godly narrative. Then there's the variety of church incarnations with their political infighting that led to further edits probably several times over. Mixed in will all that are the language translations upon language translations. Today any honest assessment of scripture has to amount to "who the hell knows what the original texts and meaning actually were and what relevance to us they have today."

-Chaloobi

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crusadex
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Posted - 02/13/2009 :  09:04:46   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send crusadex a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by HalfMooner

Originally posted by chaloobi

Part of the reason ID/Creationism has so much traction is creationists and scientists play a different game. Creationism relies on easily accessible stories that appeal viscerally to emotion. Science relies on observation and experimentation, reaching conclusions independant of simplicity or popularity. No wonder more Britons (and Americans) like Creationism, it's easier and it feels better. Duh.
And you don't even have to understand an iota of your scriptures, but simply to Believe. No heavenly extra credit for scholarship.



It is pretty foolish to believe that people don't understand scripture.But that staement does give you a lift in stature.
I suggest that if you really want to be knowledgeable you should seek out scientist who believe in God and see what they have to say.
it is foolish to say creation scientists don't use science,as foolish as it is to say that scientist don't use a form of religion to keep flawed theories alive.
Or you can hide behind your forum and look smart.Probably not up to the challenge though......
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Simon
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Posted - 02/13/2009 :  09:29:07   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Simon a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Well, many Christians are not aware of the documentary status of the Bible. Do not realize how flimsy is our link to the original texts. Are not concious how varied were the gospels to begin with. Are not comfortable with contradictions within the biblical text. Overlook the most unpleasant part of the Bible
Certainly, it is, by no mean a universal rule and there have been plenty of very smart theologians and religious scholars, but critical thinking is rarely consider as a core quality for being religious.


And creation Scientists do not use Science, by definition.
Because, by definition science is naturalistic and the minute you inject supernatural causes, you stop doing sciences.
You can be Christians and do good science, obviously, you just can't mix the too. Non overlapping magistrate and all that.


As for scientist keeping flawed theories alive... They do not. The whole scientific method acts by falsifying and discard flawed theories.

Look again at that dot. That's here. That's home. That's us. On it everyone you love, everyone you know, everyone you ever heard of, every human being who ever was, lived out their lives. The aggregate of our joy and suffering, thousands of confident religions, ideologies, and economic doctrines, every hunter and forager, every hero and coward, every creator and destroyer of civilization, every king and peasant, every young couple in love, every mother and father, hopeful child, inventor and explorer, every teacher of morals, every corrupt politician, every "superstar," every "supreme leader," every saint and sinner in the history of our species lived there – on a mote of dust suspended in a sunbeam.
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Kil
Evil Skeptic

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Posted - 02/13/2009 :  09:33:17   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Kil's Homepage  Send Kil an AOL message  Send Kil a Yahoo! Message Send Kil a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by crusadex

Originally posted by HalfMooner

Originally posted by chaloobi

Part of the reason ID/Creationism has so much traction is creationists and scientists play a different game. Creationism relies on easily accessible stories that appeal viscerally to emotion. Science relies on observation and experimentation, reaching conclusions independant of simplicity or popularity. No wonder more Britons (and Americans) like Creationism, it's easier and it feels better. Duh.
And you don't even have to understand an iota of your scriptures, but simply to Believe. No heavenly extra credit for scholarship.



It is pretty foolish to believe that people don't understand scripture.But that staement does give you a lift in stature.
I suggest that if you really want to be knowledgeable you should seek out scientist who believe in God and see what they have to say...

You mean like biologist Kenneth R. Miller?

Uncertainty may make you uncomfortable. Certainty makes you ridiculous.

Why not question something for a change?

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HalfMooner
Dingaling

Philippines
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Posted - 02/13/2009 :  10:53:06   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send HalfMooner a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by crusadex

Originally posted by HalfMooner

Originally posted by chaloobi

Part of the reason ID/Creationism has so much traction is creationists and scientists play a different game. Creationism relies on easily accessible stories that appeal viscerally to emotion. Science relies on observation and experimentation, reaching conclusions independant of simplicity or popularity. No wonder more Britons (and Americans) like Creationism, it's easier and it feels better. Duh.
And you don't even have to understand an iota of your scriptures, but simply to Believe. No heavenly extra credit for scholarship.



It is pretty foolish to believe that people don't understand scripture.But that staement does give you a lift in stature.
I suggest that if you really want to be knowledgeable you should seek out scientist who believe in God and see what they have to say.
it is foolish to say creation scientists don't use science,as foolish as it is to say that scientist don't use a form of religion to keep flawed theories alive.
Or you can hide behind your forum and look smart.Probably not up to the challenge though......
Welcome to SFN crusadex.

You seem well-versed in spouting the typical, canned Creo line. I especially like that total bullshit about Creationism being scientific. And please, that psychological projection where you fundies accuse rational people of being religious is getting shopworn. There's no more transparent lie than that one. The nastiest thing you can accuse us of is practicing "a form or religion" like you actually do. How adolescent.





Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
Here's a link to Moonscape News, and one to its Archive.
Edited by - HalfMooner on 02/13/2009 11:23:08
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