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filthy
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Posted - 02/12/2009 :  03:15:00  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
And life, ever changing, evolving, continues on as Darwin's Theory of Evolution predicts that it must.







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Edited by - filthy on 02/12/2009 03:16:06

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Happy Darwin Day!

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Posted - 02/12/2009 :  09:48:00   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Simon a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Happy Darwin day to all!

Look again at that dot. That's here. That's home. That's us. On it everyone you love, everyone you know, everyone you ever heard of, every human being who ever was, lived out their lives. The aggregate of our joy and suffering, thousands of confident religions, ideologies, and economic doctrines, every hunter and forager, every hero and coward, every creator and destroyer of civilization, every king and peasant, every young couple in love, every mother and father, hopeful child, inventor and explorer, every teacher of morals, every corrupt politician, every "superstar," every "supreme leader," every saint and sinner in the history of our species lived there – on a mote of dust suspended in a sunbeam.
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dglas
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Posted - 02/12/2009 :  11:53:03   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send dglas a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Celebrating 200 years of selecting against fantasy, in favour of reality.

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Three cheers to the Theory of Evolution. Hip Hip Hooray!

Happy Darwin Day!

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Happy Darwin Day!

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filthy
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Posted - 02/12/2009 :  13:55:27   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I am disappointed. I'd thought, on this auspicious day, Ham might have written a creationist barn-burner but instead, he drivels a comparison to Lincoln and racism that has nothing to do with evolutionary science, and then invites us to a dreary happening of some sort going down at Jerry Falwell's former wallow in Lynchburg VA. I wonder what the take at the gate will be....
Exactly 200 years ago today, two very famous people were born. Both men greatly impacted the world, but their legacies were quite different.

Abraham Lincoln and Charles Darwin were born on February 12, 1809. Among President Lincoln's famous achievements, of course, was the abolition of slavery in several states during the Civil War. At this same time, Darwin's famous book On the Origin of Species (published 1859) was gaining in popularity. But Darwin's view of dark-skinned people like the former slaves was different from that of Lincoln.

The subtitle of On the Origin of Species gives a hint to his racist beliefs: The Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life. Now, Darwin is known to have used the word races to apply to animals, but his use of the term races as it also relates to people became clear a few years later with his book The Descent of Man. In that book, Darwin called those with dark skin “degraded,” and wrote that he would rather be descended from a monkey than such a “savage.”
And we've all heard that tripe before, ad nauseum. .

Is this the best he can do? I suppose it is, Ham's being Ham and an ambitious & wealthy but not very eloquent liar.




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Posted - 02/12/2009 :  14:38:42   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Hawks's Homepage Send Hawks a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I might celebrate by eating one half of a cracker and throwing the other half away. Feels intellectually fulfilling somehow... Anyway, Happy Birthday Charlie!!!

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Posted - 02/12/2009 :  14:55:01   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Randy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Quite an fascinating brief article here.

From the link...
"The inundation of data since the completion of the Human Genome Project in 2003, and the capacity to analyze it at the finest level of detail — the individual DNA nucleotides that make up the molecule of heredity — are giving us a look at humanity's autobiography in a way that was once unimaginable.

In small, discrete changes in our genes that have accumulated over time, we are seeing evolution's tracery, as durable as it is delicate. It is slowly revealing how climate, geography, disease, culture and chance sculpted Homo sapiens into the unique and diverse species it is today.

Biologists are discovering that the size of our limbs and brains, the enzymes in our spit and stomachs, the color of our skin, the contour of our hair, and the armament of our immune systems are each to some degree the products of evolutionary adaptation. They are the hard-earned, but unintended, bequests of our ancestors' struggle to survive."

"We are all connected; to each other biologically, to the earth chemically, to the rest of the universe atomically."

"So you're made of detritus [from exploded stars]. Get over it. Or better yet, celebrate it. After all, what nobler thought can one cherish than that the universe lives within us all?"
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filthy
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Posted - 02/12/2009 :  16:14:02   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
But wait; Henry Morris of ICR has saved us from terminal, creationist ennui!
Darwin's Dangerous Doctrine
by Henry Morris III, D.Min.*
Nearly every candidate for pastoral ordination has been challenged with the charge given by the Apostle Paul in 2 Timothy 4:2-3:

Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears.
So why will more than 10,000 pastors publically endorse evolutionary naturalism as "compatible" with Christianity during the month of February 2009?1 One word: Darwin.

On February 12, much of the world will be celebrating the 200th birthday of Charles Darwin, whose popularized notion of evolution has influenced science, education, and many other realms of society for the past 150 years since the publication of his book On the Origin of Species. The media will no doubt hail him as a hero for his contribution to science.
"Notion of evolution"... *snerk*




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Hoisting a glass to the gentleman right now!

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Posted - 02/12/2009 :  19:32:12   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Randy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by The Rat

Hoisting a glass to the gentleman right now!


I'll second that notion with a bit of potion.

"We are all connected; to each other biologically, to the earth chemically, to the rest of the universe atomically."

"So you're made of detritus [from exploded stars]. Get over it. Or better yet, celebrate it. After all, what nobler thought can one cherish than that the universe lives within us all?"
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filthy
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Posted - 02/13/2009 :  03:58:54   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Darwinian tails of interest:

"Fossils reveal truth about Darwin's theory
Transitional creatures found include the 'fishibian' and the 'frogamander'
By Robin Lloyd

updated 4:59 p.m. ET, Thurs., Feb. 12, 2009

With the 200th anniversary of the birth of Charles Darwin this week, people around the world are celebrating his role as the father of evolutionary theory. Events and press releases are geared, in part, to combat false claims made by some who would discredit the theory.

One frequently cited "hole" in the theory: Creationists claim there are no transitional fossils, a.k.a. missing links. Biologists and paleontologists, among others, know this claim is false.

As key evidence for evolution and species' gradual change over time , transitional creatures should resemble intermediate species, having skeletal and other body features in common with two distinct groups of animals, such as reptiles and mammals, or fish and amphibians."


Not too shabby for a popular news piece.


Teeth are visible along the edge of this temnospondyl fossil, and also can be seen spaced out across the palate roof about one-third of the way up in the photograph.


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Simon
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Posted - 02/13/2009 :  08:07:54   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Simon a Private Message  Reply with Quote
It is, indeed, pretty good and make very clear how solid the 'just a theory' actually is.

This other article, that links from the fist one, is also very interesting as it shows evolution in action through clear, often living, examples.

Look again at that dot. That's here. That's home. That's us. On it everyone you love, everyone you know, everyone you ever heard of, every human being who ever was, lived out their lives. The aggregate of our joy and suffering, thousands of confident religions, ideologies, and economic doctrines, every hunter and forager, every hero and coward, every creator and destroyer of civilization, every king and peasant, every young couple in love, every mother and father, hopeful child, inventor and explorer, every teacher of morals, every corrupt politician, every "superstar," every "supreme leader," every saint and sinner in the history of our species lived there – on a mote of dust suspended in a sunbeam.
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filthy
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Posted - 02/13/2009 :  16:03:45   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
From Uncommon Deciet Descent comes this:
Frustrating “Evolution” Polls
GilDodgen
The article, Darwin's Birthday Poll: Fewer Than 4 in 10 Believe in Evolution, just up at foxnews.com, references this Gallup poll, in which this question is asked, “Do you, personally, believe in the theory of evolution, do you not believe in evolution, or don't you have an opinion either way?”

Why don't they ever ask about the specifics of the theory? For example: 1) Do you believe that all living things came from a universal single-celled common ancestor? 2) Do you believe that random mutation or random variation and natural selection explain the origin of all life and its complexity? 3) Do you believe that humans evolved from a primitive ape-like ancestor in the last several million years, and if so, does the Darwinian mechanism in question 2) explain how it happened?

The Gallup poll then goes on to discuss educational level and church attendance, and how this correlates with belief in “evolution.” As expected, those with more “education” are more likely to be true believers, and those who attend church weekly are less likely to be true believers. The conclusion is obviously that educated people can see the truth and wisdom of evolution, and those who attend church regularly are blinded by religion.

But perhaps a major factor is that those with more education who never attend church have never been exposed to anything but pro-Darwin indoctrination in public schools and universities, as well as the mainstream media, and have never heard about any of the weaknesses of the theory. That was the case in my situation.

During all my education, up through three college degrees, I never heard a word that challenged Darwinian orthodoxy, and you can bet that I was a true Darwinian believer. It wasn't until a Christian friend suggested that I read Michael Denton's Evolution: A Theory in Crisis that I slapped myself on the forehead and realized that I'd been conned. Perhaps church is one of the few places where people are likely to be exposed to the scientific problems with Darwinism.
Don't you just love it when they go from speculation to ancedote? It's kinda like the tired, old saw that we have seen and heard so often: "I was an atheist until...."

I gots news for our Gil; Evolution: A Theory in Crisis has been squashed like a bit of chewing gum on the pavement -- just another meaningless nuisance little worthy of comment, even from creationists.




"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)

"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres


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Simon
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Posted - 02/13/2009 :  17:15:48   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Simon a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Yeah; I also like the application that most people that make it to College has never been to church.
Obviously going to church make you dumb and/or uneducated!

Look again at that dot. That's here. That's home. That's us. On it everyone you love, everyone you know, everyone you ever heard of, every human being who ever was, lived out their lives. The aggregate of our joy and suffering, thousands of confident religions, ideologies, and economic doctrines, every hunter and forager, every hero and coward, every creator and destroyer of civilization, every king and peasant, every young couple in love, every mother and father, hopeful child, inventor and explorer, every teacher of morals, every corrupt politician, every "superstar," every "supreme leader," every saint and sinner in the history of our species lived there – on a mote of dust suspended in a sunbeam.
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