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Dave W.
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Posted - 02/14/2009 :  22:26:30   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Got a 24 on my first try (I'm 42).

In keeping with the idea that I should get a treat after each run, I will now have a beer...

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Ricky
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Posted - 02/14/2009 :  22:33:15   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Ricky an AOL message Send Ricky a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Now there's an idea! Every time you play the game, pound a beer and wait 10 minutes. Whoever gets to be the oldest before passing out wins. Of course, we're using the honor system, so no purposefully messing up.

Why continue? Because we must. Because we have the call. Because it is nobler to fight for rationality without winning than to give up in the face of continued defeats. Because whatever true progress humanity makes is through the rationality of the occasional individual and because any one individual we may win for the cause may do more for humanity than a hundred thousand who hug their superstitions to their breast.
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Dave W.
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Posted - 02/14/2009 :  22:43:06   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Ricky, my days of "pounding" a beer are long gone.

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Dave W.
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Posted - 02/14/2009 :  23:00:23   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Okay, after a beer, my second try resulted in a 20. If this trend continues...

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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend

Sweden
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Posted - 02/15/2009 :  08:39:20   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Dr. Mabuse an ICQ Message Send Dr. Mabuse a Private Message  Reply with Quote
From a sample size of two, it looks like alcohol greases the cogs upstairs.

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Kil
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USA
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Posted - 02/15/2009 :  12:27:01   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Kil's Homepage  Send Kil an AOL message  Send Kil a Yahoo! Message Send Kil a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Oh well. I can't seem to score below 34. But then, I am 59 so I guess I should consider that good. One of these days I will try it when I am not sick with a cold...

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On fire for Christ
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Saudi Arabia
1266 Posts

Posted - 02/15/2009 :  13:36:08   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send On fire for Christ a Private Message  Reply with Quote
a more effective mental stimulant would be nicotene, so, smoke if you got 'em.

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Randy
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Posted - 02/15/2009 :  14:11:09   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Randy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I recall this study in the media a year or so ago. Wish Slater(Koko) were around to hear his pitch on it.
I scored a sleepy-eyed 27 this a.m., with another sleepy-eyed try this afternoon, scoring a 28.
Hmmm.

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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist

USA
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Posted - 02/15/2009 :  16:52:48   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Cuneiformist a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Would it be different if, instead of numbers, something else were used? Like random but still distinct blobs? I haven't taken it yet (I tomorrow after having not had so much beer), but I wonder if humans are slower because there's a short delay as they unconsciously process the fact that the design in front of them is a number, and not something random?
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tomk80
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Netherlands
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Posted - 02/15/2009 :  17:21:06   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit tomk80's Homepage Send tomk80 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Cuneiformist

Would it be different if, instead of numbers, something else were used? Like random but still distinct blobs? I haven't taken it yet (I tomorrow after having not had so much beer), but I wonder if humans are slower because there's a short delay as they unconsciously process the fact that the design in front of them is a number, and not something random?

Would that help? Since the idea is to set something in a particular order, you'd still need to assign some meaning to the blobs.

Tom

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H. Humbert
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Posted - 02/15/2009 :  17:47:41   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send H. Humbert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Cuneiformist

Would it be different if, instead of numbers, something else were used? Like random but still distinct blobs? I haven't taken it yet (I tomorrow after having not had so much beer), but I wonder if humans are slower because there's a short delay as they unconsciously process the fact that the design in front of them is a number, and not something random?
I don't see that making a positive difference, because you still have to mentally order the images, whether they be numbers (2 comes before 6) or randomly assigned symbols (green star comes before orange circle). If anything, using numeric symbols so familiar to people that they hardly have to think about their proper order should be a net benefit, not a hindrance.

Edited to add: But maybe adding colors would help. If each number were given a specific color, with lower numbers starting at warm reddish hues and working up to cold bluish ones, I bet times would increase.

It also might be interesting to take symbolic representation out of the equation entirely. Just make them all black circles of various sizes, and then have to remember the order of smallest to largest.

I'm not sure if these variations would screw up whatever the original researchers were trying to measure, though.


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Edited by - H. Humbert on 02/15/2009 17:57:27
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Dave W.
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Posted - 02/15/2009 :  19:41:33   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message  Reply with Quote
The problem that switching to various shapes or colors would solve is the confusion - with just a quick glance - of, say, 5 and 6. Or 3 and 8. The problem is that the shapes of numbers were never intended to be distinguishable from one another within a fraction of a second when they're jumbled up.

Letters of the alphabet would pose a similar difficulty.

Plain colored circles might help, once you train a person in the proper color order (whatever you happen to define that as). Or a bunch of highly distinct shapes (once again, allowing a person to take minutes or hours to learn the proper order).

But, these are just hypothetical solutions to something that may not even be a problem. I want to blame my not doing better than I did on something, and I remember very well screwing up not a few times on similarly-shaped numbers. I never mistook a 4 for an 8, for example. But 5 and 6 I goofed at least once.

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Chippewa
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Posted - 02/15/2009 :  20:36:48   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Chippewa's Homepage Send Chippewa a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I found it easiest if I just got a general impression of the overall field, a gut reaction if you will, and then quickly selected the empty circles where I thought lowest-to-highest numbers were. My score was 37 first try, 52 second try, (with different patterns) just going with overall impressions.

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Dave W.
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Posted - 02/16/2009 :  01:11:25   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I've been doing a lot of cleaning and organizing around my basement tonight, and have had five-and-a-half beers in the last four hours or so.

I just tried the memory test again, and once again got a 20.

The numbers in the lower right clearly keep track of the number of sequences you get correct and wrong (left and right numbers, respectively), and I got 7 and 3, just like the last time I tried and got a 20, last night.

I just threw the first two sequences, to see if it ever gives a person only two numbers, and then playing my best got a 6/4 and a 29 as a result.

Anyway, it adds a number every time you get the sequence correct, and drops a number every time you get one wrong (three numbers, minimum). One can assume that it won't toss "10" or "11" into the mix, and so it's probable that getting everything correct will result in the last three sequences being all ten numbers (3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 10 and 10 being the number of digits in each sequence).

0/10 does give one a result of 120. So does getting the first one right and all the rest wrong. And the first two. And the first three.

It just occured to me, though, that it may be measuring how much of each sequence you get correct, even if you finally flub it. Getting every sequence wrong on the second number still gives 120 as the result. Ah, the heck with it, I'm not going to put forth the effort in figuring out how it scores.

However, I just found the second test, which asks you to supply the correct arithmetic operator (add, subtract, multiply or divide), and I scored a 39 my first try (six beers now).

The third brain test is available in English (and a bunch of other languages). The object is to click one of six color words, the correct one being the color that the top word is displayed in. For example, the correct answer for "RED" would be "GREEN," which is itself likely to be displayed itself in yellow or blue or white or anything other than green.

Brain test four is beyond me right now. I managed an 80 with pure guessing.

And they've also got some sliding block puzzles, which I've never been good at, along with a boatload of other flash thingies.

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H. Humbert
SFN Die Hard

USA
4574 Posts

Posted - 02/16/2009 :  01:53:03   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send H. Humbert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Dave W.
Brain test four is beyond me right now. I managed an 80 with pure guessing.
Looks like it's just a game of "one of these things is not like the others." 3 are the same image rotated. 1 is different from the rest.


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