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the_ignored
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Posted - 02/22/2009 :  18:55:21  Show Profile Send the_ignored a Private Message  Reply with Quote
From the Telegraph.


But it is not clear whether the photograph is genuine, or a clever piece of photo-editing. Some suggested the 'snake' was in fact a log or a speed boat and others complained the colour of the river in the photo was too dark.

The most common theory is that the photo has been manipulated on a computer.

The image has even stumped the New Straits Times newspaper in Kuala Lumpur, which suggested readers decide for themselves.


Better hope it's a fake: If not that bastard's 100 feet long. More than double the size of that prehistoric snake that was found earlier.







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>
> **** has also committed more crimes than you can count with his
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> still disappear if I was you.

What brought that on? this. Original posting here.

Another example of this guy's lunacy here.

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Google Maps won't zoom enough to make out any details of the river, dangit.

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Posted - 02/22/2009 :  19:20:19   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Randy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I say

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I agree, it seems unlikely.

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filthy
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Posted - 02/23/2009 :  02:49:41   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Randy

I say
, sez I.




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My opinion is that the hoax is mainly in the claims of it being a gigantic snake. Though the "snake" in the photo could be a Photoshop creation, there are other, non-giant-snake explanations.

That photo looks a lot like a motor boat and its wake weaving along some river. From earlier reading, I noticed that skeptics familiar with the particular river had mentioned that it's normally quite brown with mud. The photo given is supposed to be by an unnamed (!) photog in a helicopter. The helicopter was supposedly flying through the area doing flood relief work. In flooding conditions, a normally brown river would certainly not look so dark and clear.

The total lack of provenance for the photo is enough by itself to reject the photo as meaningless, and accompanying claims as likely fraud.


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filthy
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Posted - 02/23/2009 :  05:51:21   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by HalfMooner

My opinion is that the hoax is mainly in the claims of it being a gigantic snake. Though the "snake" in the photo could be a Photoshop creation, there are other, non-giant-snake explanations.

That photo looks a lot like a motor boat and its wake weaving along some river. From earlier reading, I noticed that skeptics familiar with the particular river had mentioned that it's normally quite brown with mud. The photo given is supposed to be by an unnamed (!) photog in a helicopter. The helicopter was supposedly flying through the area doing flood relief work. In flooding conditions, a normally brown river would certainly not look so dark and clear.

The total lack of provenance for the photo is enough by itself to reject the photo as meaningless, and accompanying claims as likely fraud.


Eh, every few years or so, somebody comes up with a 'giant snake' photo. Being one who keeps track such things, I've seen a fair number of them, dating clear back to the '50s. I must say though, that this is one of the better specimens and my bullshit detector, which goes off automatically for giant snakes, approves of it. Bullshit with a little class -- very rare.

I'm pretty sure that it is mostly done with an actual snake; something like a juvenile boa or of one of the rat snakes to get the head shape right. From there, it is just a matter of wiping the colors and patterns, and fuzzing it up a bit, rendering the animal unidentifiable. Then jigger around the perspective, make the claims, and get a faux 15 minutes of fame -- to the amused disgust of the entire herpetological community.

One of the earliest I recall seeing was a B&W effort that actually wasn't all that bad, considering the state of the art at the time. It was touted as being a python aerial-photoed on a mountain top in darkest Africa (where else?). In reality, it was a fairly large black rat snake, Elaphe obsoleta, from a mountain in darkest Tennessee, and there was no airplane involved. The guy, stifling laughter, 'fessed up a couple of weeks after his hoax was published.




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Posted - 02/23/2009 :  09:16:03   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Dr. Mabuse an ICQ Message Send Dr. Mabuse a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I think it looks like a boat with an outboard motor.
The snake body is the bubbles in the wake from the propeller/exhaust/cooling.

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Chippewa
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Posted - 02/23/2009 :  12:24:57   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Chippewa's Homepage Send Chippewa a Private Message  Reply with Quote
OH! But what about This?!?!?! AHHHHHH!

And wha-wha-wha-what about THIS?!?!?! AHHHHHH!

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filthy
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Posted - 02/23/2009 :  13:00:48   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse

I think it looks like a boat with an outboard motor.
The snake body is the bubbles in the wake from the propeller/exhaust/cooling.

No, it's a swimming snake. it's wake is consistant with one.



This is one of the Nerodia sp. of water snakes, probably a northern -- sipidon. It isn't moving as fast an the fabled one (that one's in panic mode), but it's a good example.




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H. Humbert
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Posted - 02/23/2009 :  13:40:27   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send H. Humbert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by filthy
No, it's a swimming snake. it's wake is consistant with one.
Is it? Compare the two photos again. In the one you posted, there is a distinct wake on either side of the head, which is barely out of the water.



Now check this one out. The first wake is several meters behind the head, which means a sizable portion of the snake's head and neck would have to be lifted above the water. Is that consistent with how most snakes swim?




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Years ago in Arizona I was dating a nice Native American girl...[Chippewa]starts drifting off into day-dreaming then snaps out of it[/Chippewa]...we were out in the toolies looking for a nice calm pond in which to float around in a rubber raft. When we got there, before we had the opportunity to launch the raft, we saw a big timber rattler swimming along. Probably undulating under the surface but what we saw was just two parts of this big menacing snake in the deep water. It swam with the head in the air just above the waterline and the rattle tip on the other end just out of the water, the rest of the body underneath and hardly a wake. We lost interest in going in the water.

I should have remembered an even earlier occasion when Corky (her name) and I were hiking along a stream near Oak Creek Canyon when we heard a rattler nearby. Being a brave Brave I jumped in the shallow stream and continued to hike in the water (but in a very manly and virile way of course.) She remained on the trail since the snake was not in her path and just laughed and said "You know they can swim don't you?"

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filthy
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Posted - 02/23/2009 :  16:36:06   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by H. Humbert

Originally posted by filthy
No, it's a swimming snake. it's wake is consistant with one.
Is it? Compare the two photos again. In the one you posted, there is a distinct wake on either side of the head, which is barely out of the water.



Now check this one out. The first wake is several meters behind the head, which means a sizable portion of the snake's head and neck would have to be lifted above the water. Is that consistent with how most snakes swim?




Yes, all but fully aquatic species swim with the head above the surface except when frightened. Then it's duck & go. The art-work example is fairly consistent with this. It had a little more neck out than my example -- a couple of inches, probably (I rather doubt that it was much longer than the aprox-4-footer-maybe-less I put up). The one I put up is of a water snake just loafing along, probably looking for a low-hanging branch to bask on.

I like water snakes. They have such vile dispositions.




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H. Humbert
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Posted - 02/23/2009 :  16:45:06   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send H. Humbert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by filthy
Yes, all but fully aquatic species swim with the head above the surface except when frightened. Then it's duck & go. The art-work example is fairly consistent with this.
Cool. Thanks for the info, filthy.


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Randy
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Posted - 02/23/2009 :  17:34:00   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Randy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I take it the foliage is supposed to be tree cover. If so, the snake then appears to be several hundreds of feet in length!

I did a search on this at Snopes, but to no avail. They only had this link posted on their 'Daily Snopes' page along with other wacky-do stories.

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