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HalfMooner
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 Posted - 02/19/2009 : 01:18:05
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PZ Myers covers this.
It seems that as Christopher Hitchens went barhopping in Beirut, he saw a poster put up by the Syrian Social Nationalist Party, which uses a Swastika-like logo and flag:
Hitchens scrawled a rebuttal, "Fuck the SSNP" on the poster.
A lurking group of SSNP supporters then proceeded to kick Hitch's ass.
Now, there is something, perhaps, to admire in Hitch's courage (if that's what it was), but his judgment after drinking remains mysterious.
I am definitely going to have to remove Hitchens from my list of "Atheists with whom I want to go carousing in the Middle East."
Edited to add this link to a story by Wonkette.
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Edited by - HalfMooner on 02/19/2009 02:05:43
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
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Posted - 02/19/2009 : 09:09:51 [Permalink]
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| I suppose he would have won a verbal sparring. It looks like Hitchens was a bit judgment impaired. But he sure puts himself out there... |
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Simon
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Posted - 02/19/2009 : 09:25:49 [Permalink]
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As they say... There is a fine line between courage and stupidity...
I am a wee bit uneasy with the bit where he goes to Lebanon and tell them how to behave, that's a just bit too close from post-colonialist Western arrogance for my taste...
But, fuck, these guys are fucking nazis (literally so)... So... Go Hitchens, I guess. Hurt their toes with your mighty face! |
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 02/19/2009 : 10:05:44 [Permalink]
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| How many times have you seen him give the finger to an entire audience. I imagine you could pick the wrong place to do that, too. |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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 Posted - 02/19/2009 : 12:24:01 [Permalink]
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This was either a classic piece of stupidity or simply a sort of religious fundamentalism in reverse. Or, more likely, both. He has behaved like all too many religious fundamentalists act toward atheists. I agree; fuck the SSNP but fuck them packing heat. Or better yet: keep your drunken fucking nose out of the business of others.
I'd thought Hitch was better than this, and have small sympathy.
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
Philippines
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Posted - 02/19/2009 : 18:43:54 [Permalink]
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As I wrote (#15 over at ERV):Reading the account in the OP link doesn't change my opinion much. Like the earlier account, it's not a first-hand account, and it doesn't deny that Hitch had some alcohol in him.
I suspect that when Hitchens tells the story, we'll get the most truthful version, warts and all. He's like that.
Neither version changed my existing attitude toward either Hitch or the SSNP. Hitch is still an asshole, and I still like him. His heart was in the right place, but his goddamn body was in Beirut. Nazis are still far, far worse than mere assholes, and I loathe 'em.
I still won't go drinking with him in Lebanon. (And with Hitch, drinking time is pretty much all the time, from most accounts.)
I agree that it's never WRONG to stand up to Nazis. But that doesn't negate the need for a sense of tactical awareness.
I might well have done what Hitchens did, if the circumstances were reasonably favorable. In a 1967 anti-Vietnam war protest in San Francisco, my friends and I were attacked by uniformed members of George Lincoln Rockwell's American Nazi Party. It was all fisticuffs. (Picture a confused brawl in part of the street, with thousands of marchers passing by.)
The Nazis had attacked part of a huge peace march, but most of the marchers did not want to get involved in the fight. Eventually, though, enough of that minority [of] marchers who hated Nazis stopped to get into the melee. The Nazis were increasingly getting their asses handed to them, and the police finally stepped in to protect the Nazis.
Lesson: The Nazis had a poor sense of tactical awareness. |
[Above quote edited to add link, and one missing word "[of]" for grammar.]
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
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Posted - 02/19/2009 : 22:12:25 [Permalink]
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| Nazies have a poor sense, period. |
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H. Humbert
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 02/20/2009 : 01:03:23 [Permalink]
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Yeah, it was stupid, and probably drunken bravado, but it's the sort of drunken bravado sometimes I think we need a little more of in the world. He thumbed his nose at Syrian Nazis lived to tell the tale, and I'm sure it's the sort of thing that will get better and better in the retelling.
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Posted - 02/20/2009 : 04:41:58 [Permalink]
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
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Posted - 02/20/2009 : 09:32:15 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by H. Humbert
Yeah, it was stupid, and probably drunken bravado, but it's the sort of drunken bravado sometimes I think we need a little more of in the world. He thumbed his nose at Syrian Nazis lived to tell the tale, and I'm sure it's the sort of thing that will get better and better in the retelling.
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Well certainly Hitchens will be telling the story. And Hitchens is always a good read, whether you agree with him or not. |
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
Philippines
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Posted - 02/22/2009 : 00:28:31 [Permalink]
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From Dave W.'s Skeptic Summary #224:D'oh! I mean, I'm always happy to amuse people, even when I sometimes do it... unconsciously.
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
Philippines
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Posted - 02/22/2009 : 01:08:01 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
Our. Not mine. Our.
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Bet you're the one that caught my (not our) misspelling, though.
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Chrisopher Hitchens gets beat up in Lebanon
