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Zebra
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Posted - 03/02/2009 :  22:25:07  Show Profile Send Zebra a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I discovered the band Sparks last year and have been amused, among other features, by the anti-gullibility and/or skeptical nature of several of their songs (the lyrics, not the music itself), along with the sly wit in a number of their songs.

From their 2008 album, "Exotic Creatures of the Deep", comes the best example of addressing gullibility head on: "I Can't Believe You Would Fall For All the Crap in This Song" which goes (in large part):
I want you and only you and only you and only you, my love
I need you and only you and only you and only you, my love

I can't believe that you would fall for all the crap in this song
I can't believe that you would fall for all the crap in this song

I'll be true, forever true, forever true, my love
Stay with you, forever you, forever you, my love

I can't believe that you would fall for all the crap in this song
I can't believe that you would fall for all the crap in this song ...


From that album there's also "(She Got Me) Pregnant" (and a number of other songs which are amusing but don't have anything to do with gullibility/skepticism etc).

From their 2006 album "Hello Young Lovers" comes "There's No Such Thing as Aliens" (2 minutes, 53 seconds of those very words repeated over and over, but in a very catchy way), and my favorite of all of their songs, "As I Sit Down to Play the Organ at the Notre Dame Cathedral", essentially a rock opera about a guy who has a great thing going, picking up foreign women who come visit the N.D. cathedral in Paris, where he works. "As I Sit Down" includes stirring phrases which sound religious ("I got FAITH! I got a deep abiding FAITH! ...) but really aren't (..."that among this sea of worshipers there is one" he can pick up).

Anyone else have any other skeptically-oriented songs they like, or just plain favorite lyrics for any reason at all?


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Kil
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Posted - 03/03/2009 :  10:38:01   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Kil's Homepage  Send Kil an AOL message  Send Kil a Yahoo! Message Send Kil a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Sparks is one of my favorite bands. They never really caught on in the US which is odd because they are from here. They remain very big in Europe. One of their songs is called "I Predict". The singer makes a series of predictions including that the song will fade out. It doesn't!

Lyrics:

You're gonna take a walk in the rain
And you're gonna get wet
(I predict)

You're gonna eat a bowl of chow mein
And be hungry real soon
(I predict)
Are my sources correct
(I predict)
They're gonna find the Queen is a man
But that Philip don't care
(I predict)
Lassie will prove that Elvis and her
Had a fleeting affair
(I predict)
Are my sources correct
Are my sources correct
Yes I know they're corect
(I predict)

Men, if you say your prayers
You'll never lose your hair(I predict)

L.A. is safe
Ain't gonna quake
Ain't gonna quake
(I predict)

And somebody's gonna die
But I can't reveal who
Cold beer will cure a cold
Cold beer and pretzels, takes care of cancer
Moscow will march to France
They'll do the Can-Can Dance
Don't worry, it'll work out
Maxim's will throw them out

They're gonna stop Saturday night
So you better have fun now
(I predict)
They're gonna stop having the sun
So you better get tan now

And this song will fade out
And this song will fade out
And this song will fade out
(I predict)

I Predict on SNL.

Uncertainty may make you uncomfortable. Certainty makes you ridiculous.

Why not question something for a change?

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Ricky
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Posted - 03/03/2009 :  20:14:56   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Ricky an AOL message Send Ricky a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Sometimes I wonder how we as a country ever made it through the 80s.

Why continue? Because we must. Because we have the call. Because it is nobler to fight for rationality without winning than to give up in the face of continued defeats. Because whatever true progress humanity makes is through the rationality of the occasional individual and because any one individual we may win for the cause may do more for humanity than a hundred thousand who hug their superstitions to their breast.
- Isaac Asimov
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Zebra
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USA
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Posted - 03/03/2009 :  20:28:34   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Zebra a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Ricky

Sometimes I wonder how we as a country ever made it through the 80s.
Ah, yes. The Reagan years.

Or are you referring to punk & new wave music?

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Zebra
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USA
354 Posts

Posted - 03/03/2009 :  20:43:17   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Zebra a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Kil

Sparks is one of my favorite bands. They never really caught on in the US which is odd because they are from here. They remain very big in Europe. One of their songs is called "I Predict". The singer makes a series of predictions including that the song will fade out. It doesn't!

Lyrics:

You're gonna take a walk in the rain
And you're gonna get wet
(I predict)

You're gonna eat a bowl of chow mein
And be hungry real soon
(I predict)

...

My gods! They should enter the SFN 2009 Psychic Contest!


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Kil
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USA
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Posted - 03/03/2009 :  21:23:31   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Kil's Homepage  Send Kil an AOL message  Send Kil a Yahoo! Message Send Kil a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Ricky

Sometimes I wonder how we as a country ever made it through the 80s.

Sparks has aged well:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=na8oDCKp6AU

Uncertainty may make you uncomfortable. Certainty makes you ridiculous.

Why not question something for a change?

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Dr. Mabuse
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Sweden
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Posted - 03/04/2009 :  00:24:21   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Dr. Mabuse an ICQ Message Send Dr. Mabuse a Private Message  Reply with Quote
If you want another skeptic/science-interested musician, check out George Hrab.
He writes really greate lyrics.
He was intervieved by Skepticality, so for some samples, search Skepticality episodes with George Hrab.

Check out this sample lyrics:
http://www.geologicrecords.net/brainsbodyboth.asp

Dr. Mabuse - "When the going gets tough, the tough get Duct-tape..."
Dr. Mabuse whisper.mp3

"Equivocation is not just a job, for a creationist it's a way of life..." Dr. Mabuse

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HalfMooner
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Posted - 03/04/2009 :  12:00:42   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send HalfMooner a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Can't leave out my personal favorite, Roy Zimmerman:
Creation Science 101
words and music © 2006 by Roy Zimmerman

God made the world in seven days
Well, that's one week to be specific
Now, that's what I call scientific
Say Hallelujah, sing His praise

Four thousand forty-two B.C.
On Monday, August twenty-seven
He made the earth and sky and Heaven
Then he punched out at five-oh-three

Then he made Adam, and then Eve
A garden for them to inhabit
The apple right where Eve could grab it
And I've got proof, 'cause I believe

Creation Science 101
In the beginning it begun
And you are just beginning to educate yourself when you shun
Evolution

Then Cain and Abel he begat
And they begat all of the rest to us
Which means they must have been incestuous
I'm going to have to pray about that

There might be sinners in this class
Who might believe in Charles Darwin
I guess that's just their loss and our win
Because I'm gonna flunk their ass

If you make Genesis your text
You'll laugh at Darwin and what he sees
To be the origin of species
Because he's just plain oversexed

Creation Science 101
You ain't no monkey's great grandson
You've got a research paper due
'bout the fifty reason to shun
Evolution

Don't let em' hand you that old jive
About survival of the fittest
That notion don't pass the bull**** test
'Cause look at me, I'm still alive

God made the world just like it is
He made the fossils just to tease us
Old bones to test our faith in Jesus
Yeah, this'll all be on the quiz

Creation Science 101
Now Armagedd-your homework-done
Because when this semester's through,
It's straight A's for students who shun Evolution

The kids get such an education
When they shun
The heretical theory of the development of life on earth over millions of years by means of spontaneous genetic mutation



Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
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The Rat
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Canada
1370 Posts

Posted - 03/04/2009 :  17:29:50   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit The Rat's Homepage Send The Rat a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Rush, Free Will


There are those who think that life is nothing left to chance
A host of holy horrors to direct our aimless dance.

A planet of playthings,
We dance on the strings
Of powers we cannot perceive.
"The stars aren't aligned
Or the gods are malign"
Blame is better to give than receive.

You can choose a ready guide in some celestial voice.
If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.
You can choose from phantom fears and kindness that can kill
I will choose a path that's clear
I will choose free will.

There are those who think that they were dealt a losing hand,
The cards were stacked against them
They weren't born in lotus land.

All preordained
A prisoner in chains
A victim of venomous fate.

Kicked in the face,
You can pray for a place
In heaven's unearthly estate.

You can choose a ready guide in some celestial voice.
If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.
You can choose from phantom fears and kindness that can kill
I will choose a path that's clear
I will choose free will.

Each of us
A cell of awareness
Imperfect and incomplete.
Genetic blends
With uncertain ends
On a fortune hunt that's far too fleet.

You can choose a ready guide in some celestial voice.
If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.
You can choose from phantom fears and kindness that can kill
I will choose a path that's clear
I will choose free will.

Bailey's second law; There is no relationship between the three virtues of intelligence, education, and wisdom.

You fiend! Never have I encountered such corrupt and foul-minded perversity! Have you ever considered a career in the Church? - The Bishop of Bath and Wells, Blackadder II

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The Rat
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Canada
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Posted - 03/04/2009 :  17:33:05   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit The Rat's Homepage Send The Rat a Private Message  Reply with Quote
An indictment of the flashy big-hair hucksters selling doom and gloom:

Neon Bible, by The Arcade Fire

A vial of hope and a vial of pain,
In the light they both looked the same.
Pourred them out on into the world,
On every boy and every girl.

It's in the Neon Bible, the Neon Bible
Not much chance for survival,
If the Neon Bible is right.

Take the poison of your age,
Don't lick your fingers when you turn the page,
What I know is what you know is right,
In the city it's the only light.

It's the Neon Bible, the Neon Bible
Not much chance for survival,
If the Neon Bible is right.

Oh God! well look at you now!
Oh! you lost it, but you don't know how!
In the light of a golden calf,
Oh God! I had to laugh!

Take the poison of your age,
Don't lick your fingers when you turn the page,
It was wrong but you said it was right,
In the future I will read at night.

In the Neon Bible, the Neon Bible
Not much chance for survival,
If the Neon Bible is true.

Bailey's second law; There is no relationship between the three virtues of intelligence, education, and wisdom.

You fiend! Never have I encountered such corrupt and foul-minded perversity! Have you ever considered a career in the Church? - The Bishop of Bath and Wells, Blackadder II

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Randy
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USA
1990 Posts

Posted - 03/04/2009 :  18:19:00   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Randy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I Ain't Afraid
Words and music by Holly Near
Recorded on Edge

I ain't afraid of your Yahweh
I ain't afraid of your Allah
This one caught me by surprise one day at work. Heard it on the local
PBS radio station, KUT, here in Austin, Tx.
I can dig it....

I ain't afraid of your Jesus
I'm afraid of what you do in the name of your God

I ain't afraid of your churches
I ain't afraid of your temples
I ain't afraid of your praying
I'm afraid of what you do in the name of your God

verse
Rise up to your higher power
Free up from fear, it will devour you
Watch out for the ego of the hour
The ones who say they know it
Are the ones who will impose it on you

I ain't afraid of your Yahweh
I ain't afraid of your Allah
I ain't afraid of your Jesus
I'm afraid of what you do in the name of your God

I ain't afraid of your churches
I ain't afraid of your temples
I ain't afraid of your praying
I'm afraid of what you do in the name of your God

verse
Rise up, and see /find/ know/ hear a higher story
Free up from the gods of war and glory
Watch out for the threats of purgatory
The spirit of the wind won't make a killing off of sin and satan

I ain't afraid of your Bible
I ain't afraid of your Torah
I ain't afraid of your Koran
Dont let the letter of the law
Obsure the spirit of the your love--it's killing us

I ain't afraid of your Yahweh
I ain't afraid of your Allah
I ain't afraid of your Jesus
I'm afraid of what you do in the name of your God

I ain't afraid of your churches
I ain't afraid of your temples
I ain't afraid of your praying
I'm afraid of what you do in the name of your God


Money
Culture
Choices
I'm afraid of what you do in the name of your God

Sunday
Spirit
Teachers
I'm afraid of what you do in the name of your God

Sabbath
Borders
Dances
I'm afraid of what you do in the name of your God double

Children
Music
Stories
I'm afraid of what you do in the name of your God

Rise up to your higher power
Free up
Rise up to your higher power
Free up
Let's try to be highly evolved
I aint afraid

"We are all connected; to each other biologically, to the earth chemically, to the rest of the universe atomically."

"So you're made of detritus [from exploded stars]. Get over it. Or better yet, celebrate it. After all, what nobler thought can one cherish than that the universe lives within us all?"
-Neil DeGrasse Tyson
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R.Wreck
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USA
1191 Posts

Posted - 03/04/2009 :  19:17:53   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send R.Wreck a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Elvis Costello, Monkey to Man:

A long time ago, our point of view
Was broadcast by Mr. Bartholomew
Now the world is full of sorrow and pain
It's time for us to speak up again

You're slack and sorry
Such an arrogant brood
The only purpose you serve is to bring us our food
We sit here staring at your pomp and pout
Outside the bars we use for keeping you out

You've taken everything that you wanted
Broke it up and plundered it and hunted
Ever since we said it
You went and took the credit
It's been headed this way since the world began
When a vicious creature took the jump from Monkey to Man

Every time that man struggles and fails
He makes up some kind of fairytales
After all of the misery that he has caused
He denies he's descended from the dinosaurs

Points up to heaven with cathedral spires
All the time indulging in his base desires
Ever since we said it
He went and took the credit
It's been headed this way since the world began
When a vicious creature took the jump from Monkey to Man

Big and useless as he has become
With his crying statues and his flying bomb
Goes ‘round acting like the chosen one
Excuse us if we treat him like our idiot cousin

He hangs up flowers and bells and rhymes
Hoping to hell that someone's forgiven his crimes
Fills the air with his pride and his praise
He's big disgrace to our beastly ways

In the fashionable nightclubs and finer precincts
Man uses words to dress up his vile instincts
Ever since we said it
He went and took the credit
It's been headed this way since the world began
When a vicious creature took the jump from Monkey to Man

The foundation of morality is to . . . give up pretending to believe that for which there is no evidence, and repeating unintelligible propositions about things beyond the possibliities of knowledge.
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Zebra
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USA
354 Posts

Posted - 03/04/2009 :  20:05:53   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Zebra a Private Message  Reply with Quote
These are great!

There's also Greydon Square, the atheist rapper - video here of his performance (after hours) at the 2007 Atheist Alliance International Convention. ("Punctuated equilibrium" does have a great beat for a rap song.)



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H. Humbert
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USA
4574 Posts

Posted - 03/04/2009 :  20:26:10   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send H. Humbert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I have always thought that this song was a very powerful endorsement of skeptical thinking. It's good to be reminded that appearances aren't always what they seem.
Well Im not the worlds most physical guy
But when she squeezed me tight she nearly broke my spine
Oh my lola lo-lo-lo-lo lola
Well Im not dumb but I cant understand
Why she walked like a woman and talked like a man
Oh my lola lo-lo-lo-lo lola lo-lo-lo-lo lola

"A man is his own easiest dupe, for what he wishes to be true he generally believes to be true." --Demosthenes

"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself - and you are the easiest person to fool." --Richard P. Feynman

"Face facts with dignity." --found inside a fortune cookie
Edited by - H. Humbert on 03/04/2009 20:27:13
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Kil
Evil Skeptic

USA
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Posted - 03/04/2009 :  22:33:17   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Kil's Homepage  Send Kil an AOL message  Send Kil a Yahoo! Message Send Kil a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by H. Humbert

I have always thought that this song was a very powerful endorsement of skeptical thinking. It's good to be reminded that appearances aren't always what they seem.
Well Im not the worlds most physical guy
But when she squeezed me tight she nearly broke my spine
Oh my lola lo-lo-lo-lo lola
Well Im not dumb but I cant understand
Why she walked like a woman and talked like a man
Oh my lola lo-lo-lo-lo lola lo-lo-lo-lo lola

Another one of my favorite bands.

Uncertainty may make you uncomfortable. Certainty makes you ridiculous.

Why not question something for a change?

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R.Wreck
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USA
1191 Posts

Posted - 03/05/2009 :  19:42:14   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send R.Wreck a Private Message  Reply with Quote
As I thought about this topic, I recalled two songs which I would consider "skeptical", and oddly enough, both have "Faith" in the title: "Faith in Something Bigger" by The Who, and Lou Reed's "Busload of Faith". Both turn the common meaning of faith somewhat on it's head . The Who tells us that "The more we learn, the less we believe to be true", and sing about faith in something bigger "inside ourself", and Lou tells us that you "need a busload of faith to get by". Faith in what? Well Lou skewers pretty much everything most people have faith in, so for me it is that faith that we all have that when the going gets tough, we will somehow manage to get by, that things will get better. That despite the bullshit, life is worth living.


Faith in something bigger:

It may be warm but the snow is going to fall,
Enough to cover us all.
We've gotta be strong men and follow a path again.

We've got to have faith in something bigger,
Faith in something bigger,
Faith in something big inside ourself.

It might be cold but the heat of our love will melt,
The snow we never felt.
We're young and hardy again, we bow to weaker men.

We've got to have faith in something bigger,
Faith in something bigger,
Faith in something big inside ourself.

The more we learn, the less we believe to be true.
The more we prove, the more remains to be proved.
We've gotta be strong men and follow a path again.

We've got to have faith in something bigger,
Faith in something bigger,
Faith in something big inside ourself, inside ourself.



Busload of Faith:

You can't depend on your family
You can't depend on your friends
You can't depend on a beginning
You can't depend on an end
You can't depend on intelligence
You can't depend on a god
You can only depend on one thing
You need a Busload of Faith to get by
You can depend on the worst always happening
You can depend on a murderer's drive
You can bet that if he rapes somebody
there'll be no problem having a child
And you can bet that if she aborts it
Pro-Lifers will attack her with rage
You can depend on the worst always happening
You need a Busload of Faith to get by
You can't depend on the goodly hearted
The goodly hearted made lampshades and soap
You can't depend on the Sacrament
no Father, no Holy Ghost
You can't depend on any churches
unless there's a real estate you want to buy
You can't depend on the air
You can't depend on a wise man
You can't find them because they're not there
You can depend on cruelty
crudity of thought and sound
You can depend on the worst always happening
You need a Busload of Faith to get by


The foundation of morality is to . . . give up pretending to believe that for which there is no evidence, and repeating unintelligible propositions about things beyond the possibliities of knowledge.
T. H. Huxley

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