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filthy
SFN Die Hard

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Posted - 03/20/2009 :  13:33:26  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Oh woe! Another feathered theropod has been found by the godless Chinese and it is not a carnivorus one. In fact, it likely was in the Garden of Eden shortly before The Fall and managed to avoid meat-eatng afterward. But, as it had feathrs, the foul Eviloutionarians will claim it's a bird ancestor and use it to besot the innocent minds and souls of our children with their dogmatic cant.

Is there no Savior to deliver us from from these hell-spwaned fiends; these minions of the very Satan himself?

Well, no -- sorry 'bout that, churchy; wish I could help.....

Here's the story:
I'm not going to say much about this since Ed Yong has an excellent write-up, but a new feathered dinosaur has been discovered, called Tianyulong. As you can see in this image of the fossil, it was bristling with a fuzz of thin fibers — proto-feathers.
I strongly reccommend opening Dr. Yong's link.


National Geogrephic also has an article concerning Tianyulong:
A newfound dinosaur fossil with feathers suggests that plumage may have begun to appear with the rise of all dinosaurs more than 200 million years ago.

The 130-million-year-old Tianyulong confuciusi from China is probably a young adult, researchers say. Its 2.3-foot-long (0.7-meter-long) body displays three distinct patches of featherlike structures.

New Feathered Dinosaur Found; Adds to Bird-Dino Theory
Dino-Era Feathers Found Encased in Amber
The creature is the first known example of a feathered dinosaur belonging to Ornithischia, one of two main dinosaur groups.

Ornithischia includes armored herbivores such as Triceratops and Stegosaurus.

Until now, feathered species had been found only among the Saurischia group, which includes the two-legged meat-eaters known as theropods, thought to be the ancestors of modern birds.




Feather-merchant; n.
A grifter or flim-flammer; one who lies for profit.






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HalfMooner
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Philippines
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Posted - 03/20/2009 :  17:24:44   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send HalfMooner a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Fascinating!

So, the point is, primative feathers useful primarily for temperature regulation and display, probably go way back to the very genesis of the dinosaur clan. (Are feathers always an indication of a warm-blooded metabolism?) Some of the critters on the veggie-chomping side of the family probably didn't have maintain the use of feathers, while others did. I'm guessing those vegan dinos were warmblooded, and their feathered carnivorous cousins all were.

Yet another opportunity for AiG or ICR to write silly things. I can't wait for their take!


Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
Here's a link to Moonscape News, and one to its Archive.
Edited by - HalfMooner on 03/20/2009 17:25:45
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filthy
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Posted - 03/22/2009 :  03:13:34   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
And here it is, forth article down -- if you can read that far without getting hysterical. This week's Snooze to Note is pretty good -- it even mentions, and lays apologetic slime all over, the remarkable fossilized octopi that PZ, among others, discussed. Third article, you can't miss it.

4. BBC News: “Fossil Hints at Fuzzy Dinosaurs”

A fossilized feathered dinosaur found in China—are they serious this time?

Reporting in Nature, Chinese paleontologists tell of a fossilized dinosaur that was apparently found surrounded by “dino-fuzz”: filaments the team call “protofeathers.”

The twist is that the dinosaur doesn't belong to the group (theropods) that scientists claim modern birds evolved from! Thus, instead of interpreting the discovery as supporting dino-bird evolution, the fossil “muddies the waters” of feather origins, according to paleontologist Lawrence Witmer of Ohio University. “Maybe all dinosaurs, even the predominantly scaled ones, had fuzzy parts,” he added. An artist's impression shows what some evolutionists imagine.


And another artist's impression shows what even more "evolutionists" are dead certain of and have the solid evidence to back that certainity up -- something that AiG, among the other Bible-manglers wouldn't know anything about.









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"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres


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HalfMooner
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Posted - 03/22/2009 :  14:45:01   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send HalfMooner a Private Message  Reply with Quote
About what one might expect from lyin' Creos, Fil. Hand-waving argument by incredulity, and disparaging of the scientific evidence.

(This last from people who base their whole belief system upon a Bronze Age creation and flood mythology which was plagiarized from Fertile Crescent sources and afterward constantly rewritten for thousands of years!)


Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
Here's a link to Moonscape News, and one to its Archive.
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filthy
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Posted - 03/22/2009 :  15:51:23   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by HalfMooner

About what one might expect from lyin' Creos, Fil. Hand-waving argument by incredulity, and disparaging of the scientific evidence.

(This last from people who base their whole belief system upon a Bronze Age creation and flood mythology which was plagiarized from Fertile Crescent sources and afterward constantly rewritten for thousands of years!)


They're mighty good at quote mining, aren't they? But I had a thought, unlikely as that seems, while reading through that massacree: the Bible has to be the most quote-mined book ever in existence. Almost any point anyone might want to support can be supported, more or less, by some verse or other regardless of context. Fortunately, most if not all can be shot down in flames, often by another meaningless Bible verse.

What a marvelous book!




"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)

"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres


"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude

Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,

and Crypto-Communist!

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HalfMooner
Dingaling

Philippines
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Posted - 03/22/2009 :  15:59:19   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send HalfMooner a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by filthy

Originally posted by HalfMooner

About what one might expect from lyin' Creos, Fil. Hand-waving argument by incredulity, and disparaging of the scientific evidence.

(This last from people who base their whole belief system upon a Bronze Age creation and flood mythology which was plagiarized from Fertile Crescent sources and afterward constantly rewritten for thousands of years!)


They're mighty good at quote mining, aren't they? But I had a thought, unlikely as that seems, while reading through that massacree: the Bible has to be the most quote-mined book ever in existence. Almost any point anyone might want to support can be supported, more or less, by some verse or other regardless of context. Fortunately, most if not all can be shot down in flames, often by another meaningless Bible verse.

What a marvelous book!




The Bible is the ancient form of the Magic Eight Ball : If you don't like the answer it gives you, pick it up, shake it, and try again.


Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
Here's a link to Moonscape News, and one to its Archive.
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moakley
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USA
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Posted - 03/23/2009 :  07:21:18   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send moakley a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by HalfMooner

The Bible is the ancient form of the Magic Eight Ball : If you don't like the answer it gives you, pick it up, shake it, and try again.
Is that along the lines if you don't like someone elses interpretation of the text create your own?

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Philosophy is questions that may never be answered. Religion is answers that may never be questioned. -Anonymous
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BigPapaSmurf
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Posted - 03/23/2009 :  07:35:51   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send BigPapaSmurf a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Recently translated into l33t speak!

And God said, like omg, i rulz! U no monkez!

"...things I have neither seen nor experienced nor heard tell of from anybody else; things, what is more, that do not in fact exist and could not ever exist at all. So my readers must not believe a word I say." -Lucian on his book True History

"...They accept such things on faith alone, without any evidence. So if a fraudulent and cunning person who knows how to take advantage of a situation comes among them, he can make himself rich in a short time." -Lucian critical of early Christians c.166 AD From his book, De Morte Peregrini
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