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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
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 Posted - 03/21/2009 : 14:29:42
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"Why Abiogenesis Is Impossible
Jerry Bergman, Ph.D.
© 1999 Creation Research Society. All Rights Reserved. Used by Permission
First published in CRSQ—Creation Research Society Quarterly, Vol. 36, No. 4, March 2000
If naturalistic molecules-to-human-life evolution were true, multibillions of links are required to bridge modern humans with the chemicals that once existed in the hypothetical “primitive soup”. This putative soup, assumed by many scientists to have given birth to life over 3.5 billion years ago, was located in the ocean or mud puddles. Others argue that the origin of life could not have been in the sea but rather must have occurred in clay on dry land. Still others conclude that abiogenesis was more likely to have occurred in hot vents. It is widely recognized that major scientific problems exist with all naturalistic origin of life scenarios. This is made clear in the conclusions of many leading origin-of-life researchers. A major aspect of the abiogenesis question is “What is the minimum number of parts necessary for an autotrophic free living organism to live, and could these parts assemble by naturalistic means?” Research shows that at the lowest level this number is in the multimillions, producing an irreducible level of complexity that cannot be bridged by any known natural means."
It's a slow Saturday, so I thought I'd dig up something really stupid by the religiously retarded to present to anyone who is as bored as I.
"The Evidence for the Early Steps of Evolution
The first step in evolution was the development of simple self-copying molecules consisting of carbon dioxide, water and other inorganic compounds. No one has proven that a simple self-copying molecule can self-generate a compound such as DNA. Nor has anyone been able to create one in a laboratory or even on paper. The hypothetical weak “primeval soup” was not like soups experienced by humans but was highly diluted, likely close to pure water. The process is described as life having originated
spontaneously from organic compounds in the oceans of the primitive Earth. The proposal assumes that primitive oceans contained large quantities of simple organic compounds that reacted to form structures of greater and greater complexity, until there arose a structure that we would call living. In other words, the first living organism developed by means of a series of nonbiological steps, none of which would be highly improbably on the basis of what is know today. This theory, [was] first set forth clearly by A.I. Oparin (1938) ... (Newman, 1967, p. 662).
An astounding number of speculations, models, theories and controversies still surround every aspect of the origin of life problem (Lahav 1999). Although some early scientists proposed that “organic life ... is eternal,” most realized it must have come “into existence at a certain period in the past” (Haeckel, 1905, p. 339). It now is acknowledged that the first living organism could not have arisen directly from inorganic matter (water, carbon dioxide, and other inorganic nutrients) even as a result of some extraordinary event. Before the explosive growth of our knowledge of the cell during the last 30 years, it was known that “the simplest bacteria are extremely complex, and the chances of their arising directly from inorganic materials, with no steps in between, are too remote to consider seriously.” (Newman, 1967, p. 662). Most major discoveries about cell biology and molecular biology have been made since then."
Read on, it gets worse. Or better, according to who might be reading it. 
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
Philippines
15831 Posts |
Posted - 03/21/2009 : 15:19:19 [Permalink]
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Yawn. Another argument from complexity that ignores deep time, a world for a petri dish, and the power of molecular evolution to do much more than simply act randomly.
(Oh, and another way the "soup" of organics could have gotten together: Foam in the early ocean. Foam tremendously concentrates organic compounds. (Anyone who has operated a marine aquarium is likely to know this. Collecting foam is used as an efficient mechanism to extract excess organic wastes from the water. Like the goddess Aphrodite, sea foam may have birthed life itself.)
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“Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
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Hawks
SFN Regular
Canada
1383 Posts |
Posted - 03/21/2009 : 21:37:18 [Permalink]
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| The first step in evolution was the development of simple self-copying molecules consisting of carbon dioxide, water and other inorganic compounds. |
I never know that carbon dioxide and/or water made copies of themselves... |
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
USA
26020 Posts |
 Posted - 03/21/2009 : 21:47:57 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Hawks
| The first step in evolution was the development of simple self-copying molecules consisting of carbon dioxide, water and other inorganic compounds. |
I never know that carbon dioxide and/or water made copies of themselves... |
I was about to post that carbon dioxide is not inorganic, due to its carbon content. However, that would be wrong due to the arbitrary quirks of history.
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Abiogenesis according to True Orgins
