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Kil
Evil Skeptic
USA
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 Posted - 06/02/2009 : 15:19:11
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New Hominid 12 Million Years Old Found In Spain, With 'Modern' Facial Features
ScienceDaily (June 2, 2009):
Researchers have discovered a fossilized face and jaw from a previously unknown hominoid primate genus in Spain dating to the Middle Miocene era, roughly 12 million years ago. Nicknamed "Lluc," the male bears a strikingly "modern" facial appearance with a flat face, rather than a protruding one. The finding sheds important new light on the evolutionary development of hominids, including orangutans, chimpanzees, bonobos, gorillas and humans… |
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Anoiapithecus displays a very modern facial morphology, with a muzzle prognathism (i.e., protrusion of the jaw) so reduced that, within the family Hominidae, scientists can only find comparable values within the genus Homo, whereas the remaining great apes are notoriously more prognathic (i.e., having jaws that project forward markedly). The extraordinary resemblance does not indicate that Anoiapithecus has any relationship with Homo, the researchers note. However, the similarity might be a case of evolutionary convergence, where two species evolving separately share common features.
Lluc's discovery may also hold an important clue to the geographical origin of the hominid family. Some scientists have suspected that a group of primitive hominoids known as kenyapithecines (recorded from the Middle Miocene of Africa and Eurasia) might have been the ancestral group that all hominids came from. The detailed morphological study of the cranial remains of Lluc showed that, together with the modern anatomical features of hominids (e.g., nasal aperture wide at the base, high zygomatic rood, deep palate), it displays a set of primitive features, such as thick dental enamel, teeth with globulous cusps, very robust mandible and very procumbent premaxilla. These features characterize a group of primitive hominoids from the African Middle Miocene, known as afropithecids…
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What fun, eh?
Hat tip to Swoopy.
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HalfMooner
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Posted - 06/02/2009 : 16:47:10 [Permalink]
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What fun, indeed. Looks like a whole "new" branch of hominids. Of course, it's only logical to assume that there are many, if not most, hominid species which have not yet been found.
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The Rat
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 Posted - 06/02/2009 : 19:33:24 [Permalink]
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| Unfortunately some of the racist crowd have already seized on this to state that it's evidence that Europe is the real cradle of humanity, and by implication that Europeans are superior. I haven't heard this from anything but dingbats on web posts, but it shows how it can be twisted. |
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
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Posted - 06/02/2009 : 19:45:11 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by The Rat
Unfortunately some of the racist crowd have already seized on this to state that it's evidence that Europe is the real cradle of humanity, and by implication that Europeans are superior. I haven't heard this from anything but dingbats on web posts, but it shows how it can be twisted.
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Man is that stupid. This new species is so old, so pre-human, matters like the present human "races" are totally irrelevant.
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 06/03/2009 : 03:24:43 [Permalink]
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The artist's impression looks a little like a juvenile Ken Ham might have....
Mercy sakes, but the pieces just keep falling into place, don't they? Of course & alas, the puzzle will never be completed.
I find it unlikely that this creature was actually in our lineage, being yet another twig straying from a branch of the ancestral tree. But it is a great find nevertheless and should reap vast sneers of nervous contempt from the usual suspects. I might also add that it only represents a single species, but if there is one hominid species, 12 mya, why not more, hmm?
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astropin
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Posted - 06/03/2009 : 09:20:26 [Permalink]
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 06/18/2009 : 16:50:11 [Permalink]
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About time!
The usual suspects were a little slow on this one, and they really didn't do much with it. I confess myself disappointed.
Portions of a primate's fossilized face and jaw were recovered near Barcelona in 2004. The discovery of the bones was recently hailed as “an enormous step forward in the understanding of the origin of our own family, the Hominidae.”1 But the fine print reveals that evolutionists are just walking in circles, since the tiny extinct primate's unique features do not support an evolutionary interpretation.
In their study of the fossil, named Anoiapithecus brevirostris, published in Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, the researchers admitted that “the systematic position of primitive (or archaic) putative hominoids is far from clear.” In other words, it is difficult for them to place this new find into an evolutionary tree, since the order in which monkey forms are related to each other “has been subject to different interpretations,”2 with various researchers favoring widely different opinions.
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I don't know if I'd call this guy an "Hominid", although I did in an earlier post. I noticed that the article used "Hominiod." I think that "Primate" fits it nicely.
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"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
USA
13476 Posts |
Posted - 06/18/2009 : 18:51:44 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by filthy
I don't know if I'd call this guy an "Hominid", although I did in an earlier post. I noticed that the article used "Hominiod." I think that "Primate" fits it nicely.
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Primate is the Order. This one probably makes it to the Superfamily, Hominoidea.
Order: Primates
Suborder: Haplorrhini
Infraorder: Simiiformes
Parvorder: Catarrhini
Superfamily: Hominoidea < Here.
Family: Hominidae < Great apes and us.
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R.Wreck
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Posted - 06/18/2009 : 20:09:41 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by filthy
About time!
The usual suspects were a little slow on this one, and they really didn't do much with it. I confess myself disappointed.
Portions of a primate's fossilized face and jaw were recovered near Barcelona in 2004. The discovery of the bones was recently hailed as “an enormous step forward in the understanding of the origin of our own family, the Hominidae.”1 But the fine print reveals that evolutionists are just walking in circles, since the tiny extinct primate's unique features do not support an evolutionary interpretation.
In their study of the fossil, named Anoiapithecus brevirostris, published in Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, the researchers admitted that “the systematic position of primitive (or archaic) putative hominoids is far from clear.” In other words, it is difficult for them to place this new find into an evolutionary tree, since the order in which monkey forms are related to each other “has been subject to different interpretations,”2 with various researchers favoring widely different opinions.
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Therefore Genesis 1 (or 2) is true.
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A new hominid
