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the_ignored
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 Posted - 09/06/2009 : 02:17:26
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Well, our friend MrMannn has posted about Dawkins and Eugenics.
Naturally, you know my reaction. Not that it'll do any good, being the free speech advocate that he is, I'm not counting on my post ever showing up there.
Still:
Ah yes, to the topic: You may want to read this:
The other thing that's wrong is that all of these attacks are a load of quote-mining from a "letter to the editor" that was no such thing, as even Wesley Smith was forced to admit. Dawkins never said that Hitler's eugenics program "might not be bad," as the LifeSiteNews article misrepresents him. Here's the actual text of a piece represented as a letter to the editor by Dawkins and entitled, Eugenics may not be bad:
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>From: enuffenuff@fastmail.fm
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> I'm looking to teach these two bastards a lesson they'll never forget.
> Personal visit by mates of mine. No violence, just a wee little chat.
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> **** has also committed more crimes than you can count with his
> incitement of hatred against a religion. That law came in about 2007
> much to ****'s ignorance. That is fact and his writing will become well
> know as well as him becoming a publicly known icon of hatred.
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> Good luck with that fuckwit. And Reynold, fucking run, and don't stop.
> Disappear would be best as it was you who dared to attack me on my
> illness knowing nothing of the cause. You disgust me and you are top of
> the list boy. Again, no violence. Just regular reminders of who's there
> and visits to see you are behaving. Nothing scary in reality. But I'd
> still disappear if I was you.
What brought that on? this. Original posting here.
Another example of this guy's lunacy here. |
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
Philippines
15831 Posts |
Posted - 09/06/2009 : 06:15:00 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by the_ignored
Well, our friend MrMannn has posted about Dawkins and Eugenics.
Naturally, you know my reaction. Not that it'll do any good, being the free speech advocate that he is, I'm not counting on my post ever showing up there.
Still:
Ah yes, to the topic: You may want to read this:
The other thing that's wrong is that all of these attacks are a load of quote-mining from a "letter to the editor" that was no such thing, as even Wesley Smith was forced to admit. Dawkins never said that Hitler's eugenics program "might not be bad," as the LifeSiteNews article misrepresents him. Here's the actual text of a piece represented as a letter to the editor by Dawkins and entitled, Eugenics may not be bad:
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Cool! Cherry-picking combined with lying.
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“Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
Here's a link to Moonscape News, and one to its Archive. |
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the_ignored
SFN Addict
2562 Posts |
Posted - 09/28/2009 : 14:10:54 [Permalink]
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Well, I've posted over at MrMannn's blog again:
You may want to do some more reading.
Without the headline as a guide, in good conscience I must retract my assertion that Dawkins supports eugenics. I suspect he would, since he apparently does not believe that human life has intrinsic value simply based on being human - the denial of which is also a fundamental premise of eugenics. But I don't know that he would.
Of course, he still has to sling mud...and later on he goes to say
Post Script: Here is a rich irony, considering Dawkins' crusade to destroy religious belief (which is not an issue we discuss here at Secondhand Smoke). The primary supporters of eugenics in the first third to half of the 20th Century were scientists, the self described "free thinkers," political progressives, and religious liberals. The opponents of eugenics were primarily, although certainly not exclusively, overt religionists of a decidedly orthodox persuasion. At least as to the that issue, the religionsts had it right.
Too bad that he left out creationist Dr. Tinkle.
Tinkle opposed evolution and Darwinian theory, but was an enthusiastic proponent of eugenics, and published several articles on the subject. In his 1939 textbook "Fundamentals of Zoology" he devotes a section to "The Need of Human Betterment", where he laments the existence of "defective families" who "give birth to offspring like themselves" , producing "persons of low mentality, paupers and criminals in much greater ratio than the general population" [8, p. 130]. Negative eugenics via institutionalization seems to have been his preferred eugenic solution:
It is an excellent plan to keep defective people in institutions for here they are not permitted to marry and bear children.[8, p. 131]
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[Scientists who are working at the task of improving the human race] would like to increase the birth rate of families having good heredity, while those people having poor heredity should not marry at all.[8, p. 131]
I know you won't publish this, so I'll just post it at my "liberal" forum. If you ever feel like coming over and having a real debate, being the free-speech and anti-censorship advocate that you are, come right over.
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>From: enuffenuff@fastmail.fm
(excerpt follows):
> I'm looking to teach these two bastards a lesson they'll never forget.
> Personal visit by mates of mine. No violence, just a wee little chat.
>
> **** has also committed more crimes than you can count with his
> incitement of hatred against a religion. That law came in about 2007
> much to ****'s ignorance. That is fact and his writing will become well
> know as well as him becoming a publicly known icon of hatred.
>
> Good luck with that fuckwit. And Reynold, fucking run, and don't stop.
> Disappear would be best as it was you who dared to attack me on my
> illness knowing nothing of the cause. You disgust me and you are top of
> the list boy. Again, no violence. Just regular reminders of who's there
> and visits to see you are behaving. Nothing scary in reality. But I'd
> still disappear if I was you.
What brought that on? this. Original posting here.
Another example of this guy's lunacy here. |
| Edited by - the_ignored on 09/28/2009 14:14:41 |
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
9687 Posts |
 Posted - 09/29/2009 : 11:01:55 [Permalink]
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From MrMannn's blog
Oliver said...
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September 5, 2009 12:39 PM |
What a f***ng looser!
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Dr. Mabuse - "When the going gets tough, the tough get Duct-tape..."
Dr. Mabuse whisper.mp3
"Equivocation is not just a job, for a creationist it's a way of life..." Dr. Mabuse
Support American Troops in Iraq:
Send them unarmed civilians for target practice..
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
Philippines
15831 Posts |
Posted - 09/29/2009 : 19:16:05 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse
From MrMannn's blog
Oliver said...
This post has been removed by the author.
September 5, 2009 12:39 PM |
What a f***ng looser!
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"MrMannn" is a cheap liar and a craven coward. He's afraid to duke it out with ideas and evidence in a forum like this, where rebuttals are not "deleted by the author."
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“Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
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Dawkins and Eugenics.
