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Kil
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Posted - 09/12/2009 :  07:50:58   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Kil's Homepage  Send Kil an AOL message  Send Kil a Yahoo! Message Send Kil a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Agita


Newbies should never be allowed to start threads.

I don't agree. We have had many new people open interesting and thought provoking OP's. Sure, there are spammers. And we usually recognize them. Brent was a likely spammer, but he was good for a laugh, which to my thinking is of some value. Plus there was an outside chance he would be willing to defend his claims. He is the kind of newbie we give a chance to. By not coming back, he has shown himself to be a spammer. Others are gone before many of you even know they were here...

It's a tough call sometimes. But generally speaking, I think we should assess OP's by new members on a case by case basis.

Uncertainty may make you uncomfortable. Certainty makes you ridiculous.

Why not question something for a change?

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marfknox
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Posted - 09/13/2009 :  03:22:22   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit marfknox's Homepage  Send marfknox an AOL message Send marfknox a Private Message  Reply with Quote
...anyone willing to stretch their imagination will find that religion, mysticism, and science all agree
I can't remember who said it first, but this reminds me of the quote: "Keep an open mind, but not so open that your brain falls out."

sailingsoul wrote:
Spam is spam and this, with it's link should be deleted like the spam it is.
and Agita wrote:
Newbies should never be allowed to start threads.
I've always liked this forum because it is less restrictive. If the original post was deleted, then Dave's great, critical response would be out of any context. And if newbies weren't able to start new threads, I wouldn't have spent the last 5 minutes being quite amused and entertained by reading all of the above.


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Edited by - marfknox on 09/13/2009 03:23:16
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R.Wreck
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Posted - 09/13/2009 :  06:42:43   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send R.Wreck a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by marfknox

...anyone willing to stretch their imagination will find that religion, mysticism, and science all agree
I can't remember who said it first, but this reminds me of the quote: "Keep an open mind, but not so open that your brain falls out."




Richard Feynman.

The foundation of morality is to . . . give up pretending to believe that for which there is no evidence, and repeating unintelligible propositions about things beyond the possibliities of knowledge.
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Dave W.
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Posted - 09/13/2009 :  09:46:46   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by R.Wreck

Originally posted by marfknox

...anyone willing to stretch their imagination will find that religion, mysticism, and science all agree
I can't remember who said it first, but this reminds me of the quote: "Keep an open mind, but not so open that your brain falls out."
Richard Feynman.
First time I've heard it attributed to Feynman. Mostly, it's attributed to Carl Sagan, but here's a quotes page that attributes it to a person named Camille Cracciola, whose name only Googles up pages with that quote on them.

On one of them, a commenter also suggests James Oberg, Arthur Hays Sulzberger and Samuel Butler, who said this:
Cursed is he that does not know when to shut his mind. An open mind is all very well in its way, but it ought not to be so open that there is no keeping anything in or out of it. It should be capable of shutting its doors sometimes, or may be found a little draughty.
So it would seem that there's a whole lot of confusion on this.

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R.Wreck
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USA
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Posted - 09/13/2009 :  10:11:59   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send R.Wreck a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Dave W.

Originally posted by R.Wreck

Originally posted by marfknox

...anyone willing to stretch their imagination will find that religion, mysticism, and science all agree
I can't remember who said it first, but this reminds me of the quote: "Keep an open mind, but not so open that your brain falls out."
Richard Feynman.
First time I've heard it attributed to Feynman. Mostly, it's attributed to Carl Sagan, but here's a quotes page that attributes it to a person named Camille Cracciola, whose name only Googles up pages with that quote on them.

On one of them, a commenter also suggests James Oberg, Arthur Hays Sulzberger and Samuel Butler, who said this:
Cursed is he that does not know when to shut his mind. An open mind is all very well in its way, but it ought not to be so open that there is no keeping anything in or out of it. It should be capable of shutting its doors sometimes, or may be found a little draughty.
So it would seem that there's a whole lot of confusion on this.


Sagan was the first name that come to my mind, but when I googled the phrase, the results were pretty much exclusively Feynman. Interesting how a line (at least a damn good one like this) can be attributed to so many. I wouldn't be surprised to find that Feynman was paraphrasing Butler (conciously or not) when he (allegedly) said it, although that's pure speculation on my part.

Hey, maybe Mooner can work this into his next contest: "Who the Hell Said That?"

The foundation of morality is to . . . give up pretending to believe that for which there is no evidence, and repeating unintelligible propositions about things beyond the possibliities of knowledge.
T. H. Huxley

The Cattle Prod of Enlightened Compassion
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