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filthy
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Posted - 10/01/2009 :  17:10:58  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
The annual Christian Christmas Cacophony of Iidiocy, '09 version, is beginning, and it ain't even Halloween yet. One notices that the WorldNetDaily is involved.

It is a ritual of autumn to decry the ever earlier placement of Christmas decorations in retail establishments. The holiday, a celebration of commerce wrapped in religious themes has become a weapon for Christian Domininionsts to demonstrate their belief that America is an exclNetDaily is involved.usively Christian nation and that American Christians are uniquely persecuted for their beliefs. So it is not surprising that the War on Christmas canard begins early as the nation celebrates its first Christmas holiday under an African-American president.

In a report today on WorldNetDaily.com the Alliance Defense Fund claims that the U.S. Forest Service has banned the name of Jesus from decorations being assembled by children in Arizona for a blue spruce from the state that will become the Capitol Christmas Tree this year. Right wing Christian activists are using their children to make a political point and as a front for their judicial activism.

"Banning Christmas from the Capitol Christmas tree is just absurd. Christian students shouldn't be discriminated against for expressing their religious beliefs," said Jonathan Scruggs, litigation staff counsel for the Alliance Defense Fund.

"The First Amendment does not allow government officials to exclude schoolchildren's ornaments for the capitol's Christmas tree merely because they communicate a religious viewpoint," he said yesterday.

They can boast numbers that dwarf all other faiths in the country, including those that have no faith, and yet, they whine and mewl when some shopkeeper wishes somebody a Happy Holiday instead of Christmas. And these jerk-offs wonder why so many are leaving the churchs.




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HalfMooner
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Posted - 10/01/2009 :  23:41:08   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send HalfMooner a Private Message  Reply with Quote
The sectarian decoration of a public-property tree with Christian slogans and symbols is one thing.

What Ron Moore, the author of the Examiner piece, misses (perhaps due to his dislike of capitalism and/or holiday commercialism) is that the secularization of Christmas in retail outfits is driven much more by the quest for the Almighty Dollar than it is by Constitutional church-state separation considerations (which don't apply to private stores, anyway).

Retailers know that their customers are a mix of Christians, "Nones," Jews, Buddhists, Hindus, and Muslims. They also know that many Christians are put off by attempts to use the Baby Jesus to sell products. So they make the holiday generic, because that creates better sales. They don't do it because the ACLU is threatening them.


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R.Wreck
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Posted - 10/02/2009 :  06:06:34   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send R.Wreck a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by HalfMooner


Retailers know that their customers are a mix of Christians, "Nones," Jews, Buddhists, Hindus, and Muslims. They also know that many Christians are put off by attempts to use the Baby Jesus to sell products. So they make the holiday generic, because that creates better sales. They don't do it because the ACLU is threatening them.




Yeah, but where's the outrage in that? These nincompoops need to attach evil satanic intent to anything that discomforts them. Nobody gave them the month of December to own to the exclusion of everybody else's beliefs. Screw 'em.

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filthy
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Posted - 10/02/2009 :  08:29:08   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I'm thinking of organizing a boycott of any business that fails to wish their customers a Debauched Solstice!

I doubt if it'll go over very big, but why should the fundie, Christian theocracy-droolers have all the fun? Share the stupidity, I say!




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The Rat
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Posted - 10/02/2009 :  20:26:16   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit The Rat's Homepage Send The Rat a Private Message  Reply with Quote
"Banning Christmas from the Capitol Christmas tree is just absurd. Christian students shouldn't be discriminated against for expressing their religious beliefs," said Jonathan Scruggs, litigation staff counsel for the Alliance Defense Fund.

"The First Amendment does not allow government officials to exclude schoolchildren's ornaments for the capitol's Christmas tree merely because they communicate a religious viewpoint," he said yesterday.


That's for the lawyers to decide. So since Mr. Scruggs is (presumably) a christian, we'll let his bible dictate what he should do about christmas trees and ornamentation:

Jeremiah 10:2-4 (King James Version)

2Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.

3For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.

4They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.


Hmmm... Seems like some kinda sinnin' goin' on there son.


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