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Kil
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Posted - 10/13/2009 : 09:34:00 [Permalink]
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You know what? I think Obama got the prize because he made clear that he wasn't going to beat on his chest and yell "you're either with us or against us" to other countries, and that he is open to direct diplomacy with problem nations. His speech, directed at the people of the middle east who happen to be Muslim, is another reason he got the prize. That speech went a long way to smoothing worries about American intentions and will probably produce a few less suicide bombers for the time being. Remember that regular citizens of Islamic countries thought that Bush was at war with Islam itself. What Obama ultimately does remains to be seen, but his rhetoric has already eased much of the worlds anxiety with regard to how the US thinks about its membership in the world community. Bush didn't really care about that sort of thing. For him it was pretty much; "Fuck'em if they don't like what we are doing. We rule!"
This really was an anti-Bush prize. And so what? Who can blame them?
But putting all that aside, Obama didn't run for the prize. Whatever the intentions the Nobel committee, it doesn't really matter. As filthy points out, the sound of conservative heads exploding makes the whole thing worth it.
I don't really care that Obama got the award. There have been worse recipients and there have been better recipients. History will judge Obama's place on the list. But in the whole scheme of things, it just doesn't matter... |
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Gorgo
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Posted - 10/13/2009 : 10:10:05 [Permalink]
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| He talks prettier than Bush, which just makes him more dangerous. We should not encourage people like Obama and his gang to believe they are peaceful people. They're dangerous enough. |
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
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 Posted - 10/13/2009 : 10:21:59 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Gorgo
He talks prettier than Bush, which just makes him more dangerous. We should not encourage people like Obama and his gang to believe they are peaceful people. They're dangerous enough.
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So are you just not open to the idea that perhaps Obama really is less dangerous?
Oh well... |
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Gorgo
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Posted - 10/13/2009 : 10:45:19 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Kil
Originally posted by Gorgo
He talks prettier than Bush, which just makes him more dangerous. We should not encourage people like Obama and his gang to believe they are peaceful people. They're dangerous enough.
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So are you just not open to the idea that perhaps Obama really is less dangerous?
Oh well...
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I'm very open to the possiblity, and very hopeful that he's more liberal in certain areas than Bush, but we didn't need to add more undeserved halos. |
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
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Posted - 10/13/2009 : 10:53:21 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Gorgo
Originally posted by Kil
Originally posted by Gorgo
He talks prettier than Bush, which just makes him more dangerous. We should not encourage people like Obama and his gang to believe they are peaceful people. They're dangerous enough.
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So are you just not open to the idea that perhaps Obama really is less dangerous?
Oh well...
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I'm very open to the possiblity, and very hopeful that he's more liberal in certain areas than Bush, but we didn't need to add more undeserved halos.
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But we didn't add anything. The Nobel Committee did. Most of us have taken the news with a grain of salt... |
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Gorgo
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Posted - 10/13/2009 : 10:57:06 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Kil
But we didn't add anything. The Noble Committee did. Most of us are taking it with a grain of salt...
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Most of you? That's quite a massive group. |
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
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Posted - 10/13/2009 : 11:03:24 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Gorgo
Originally posted by Kil
But we didn't add anything. The Noble Committee did. Most of us are taking it with a grain of salt...
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Most of you? That's quite a massive group.
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I can only go by what I have read or seen on the news. And so far, I haven't detected the deification of Obama over this prize. Perhaps our news sources are different. |
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Gorgo
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Posted - 10/13/2009 : 11:12:34 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Kil
I can only go by what I have read or seen on the news. And so far, I haven't detected the deification of Obama over this prize. Perhaps our news sources are different.
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Good to know. |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 10/13/2009 : 11:49:00 [Permalink]
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And the committee sez:
Despite the fact that even President Barack Obama wasn't sure that his record warranted a Nobel Peace Prize, the Norwegian committee is defending the decision.
On Friday, after admitting that he was "surprised and deeply humbled" by the honor, Obama said, "To be honest, I do not feel that I deserve to be in the company of so many of the transformative figures who've been honored by this prize -- men and women who've inspired me and inspired the entire world through their courageous pursuit of peace."
However, "In rare comments to media, committee chairman Thorbjoern Jagland tells The Associated Press that 'we simply disagree that he has done nothing. He got the prize for what he has done.'"
The AP story adds, "Jagland says Obama reached out to the Muslim world and 'modified' a Bush-era proposal for an anti-missile shield in Europe."
"Jagland and three other members of the five-seat Nobel panel told the AP that they had expected criticism of their decision," the article continues. "One of them, Aagot Valle, said some of the criticism was patronizing toward Obama."
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And best of all, Obama ain't Bush and that's what drives the far right to Bedlam. Where the pigfuckers belong anyway.
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Posted - 10/13/2009 : 12:05:13 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Kil
And so far, I haven't detected the deification of Obama over this prize. |
As I noted on a blog elsewhere, Obama's win of the Prize gives me a boost by about as much as a mouse fart makes an elephant soar. Of course, my opinion of Obama is pretty low right now, anyway. |
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BigPapaSmurf
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Posted - 10/13/2009 : 12:36:56 [Permalink]
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| Is this perhaps the last and greatest indication of the worldly opinions of Mr. Bush's Presidency? |
"...things I have neither seen nor experienced nor heard tell of from anybody else; things, what is more, that do not in fact exist and could not ever exist at all. So my readers must not believe a word I say." -Lucian on his book True History
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
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Posted - 10/13/2009 : 13:31:39 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by BigPapaSmurf
Is this perhaps the last and greatest indication of the worldly opinions of Mr. Bush's Presidency?
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Bingo! |
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Dr. Mabuse
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Posted - 10/13/2009 : 21:02:54 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by BigPapaSmurf
Is this perhaps the last and greatest indication of the worldly opinions of Mr. Bush's Presidency?
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Short of cheering as he's being shipped off for a prolonged inspection of Guantanamo base from the inside wearing an orange jumpsuit? Possibly.
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 10/15/2009 : 01:14:59 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by BigPapaSmurf
Is this perhaps the last and greatest indication of the worldly opinions of Mr. Bush's Presidency?
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I have to disagree.
There is a shitload of wild speculation out there about the motivation of the Nobel committee awarding this to Obama. It ranges from rightwingnut paranoia about manipulating the US president to the leftwingnut idea that it is a poke in the eye to Bush.
How come it can't be for the exact reasons stated by the Nobel committee? That seems to be the only position anyone isn't taking. All the rest is just evidence free assertion, nothing skeptics would engage in, right?
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 10/15/2009 : 03:14:03 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dude
Originally posted by BigPapaSmurf
Is this perhaps the last and greatest indication of the worldly opinions of Mr. Bush's Presidency?
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I have to disagree.
There is a shitload of wild speculation out there about the motivation of the Nobel committee awarding this to Obama. It ranges from rightwingnut paranoia about manipulating the US president to the leftwingnut idea that it is a poke in the eye to Bush.
How come it can't be for the exact reasons stated by the Nobel committee? That seems to be the only position anyone isn't taking. All the rest is just evidence free assertion, nothing skeptics would engage in, right?
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Indeed, and I remind that the Nobel Committee is a private organization and their award has no official standing whatsoever. While it is enjoyable to luxuriate in the howls of outrage on one side and the cackles of glee on the other, it's still a tempest in a teapot, albeit a prestigious one.
I have certain reservations as to this particular award, but I'm still glad that Obama got it. I'll be even gladder if he lives up to it.
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