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Dave W.
Info Junkie

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Posted - 02/19/2010 :  21:14:19  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message  Reply with Quote
In the November/December 2009 Skeptical Inquirer, CSI fellow Dr. David Morrison (who answers NASA's Ask an Astrobiologist questions) wrote an article titled, "Moon Hoax Resolved: New Lunar Orbiter Images Show Moon Landers, Astronauts' Tracks," in which he describes some common Moon hoax arguments and the fact that the new Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter has taken the highest-resolution images yet of Apollo landing sites, like this one:




Image from "LRO Sees Apollo Landing Sites"


In the article, about the above image, Morrison wrote:

Thanks to favorable lighting and high resolution, a photo of the Apollo 14 site shows not only the lander but also the surface experiment package deployed by the astronauts. Best of all, the 150-meter path made by the astronauts walking from the lander to deploy the package is also visible. This photo should convince most remaining doubters that twelve astronauts from planet Earth really did walk on our Moon four decades ago.

How could I resist that bait? I wrote the following letter, which was published in the March/April 2010 SI, under the title, "The Lunar Landing Deniers":

David Morrison seems to be stunningly naïve about what will "convince most remaining doubters" about the Apollo Moon landings. If the doubters are willing to entertain the idea that thousands of people are still actively covering up their involvement in faking live television broadcasts from the Moon, will a bunch of easily Photoshopped pictures of the alleged landing sites from a satellite be at all convincing?

I predict that the doubters will follow James Randi's argument against Uri Geller by saying something like, "We were able to make an image that looks just like the LRO image in five minutes through trickery, so why should we believe that NASA did it for real?"

Personally, I think the LRO images of the Apollo landing sites are wonderful, but the idea that they will convince even a single doubter in this age of easy, at-home photo manipulation seems to be the result of an idealism that's been proven wildly unrealistic by claims that the hoax believers have been making for decades already.

(Interestingly, my original letter ended with "...the result of an idealism that's been demonstrated to be wildly unrealistic by the claims that the hoax believers have been making for decades already." I'm not sure that the editor improved it, and I don't think that the original length would have taken more column inches. I'm not sure which version offers more clarity, either.)

And right after my letter, they printed:

David Morrison responds:

The point is well taken, and perhaps I am naïve. Following the argument to the extreme, even if we sent a new group of astronauts to take photos and collect artifacts at one of the Apollo sites, the hardcode conspiracy theorists would claim that expedition was also faked, and so on ad infinitum. A more realistic target are the millions of young people from outside the U.S., like many Indian college students I have met, who have been told their whole lives that Apollo was faked and have never heard the counterarguments. I still have faith that they might respond to these Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter photos.

Reading back over this, nearly four months after I wrote my letter (on October 22, 2009), I thought maybe I'd been a bit harsh. So earlier tonight I dashed off an email to Dr. Morrison:

I just wanted to say that I agree with your response to my letter, except that the "hardcore conspiracy theorists" don't really know national borders, either.

I mean yes, millions of students from the world around (and even within the U.S.) will respond well to the LRO photos, but there will always be a small subset of them who will be contrarians to the bitter end. They will never be reachable, and so I think it's important to focus our energies and arguments on those who are more reasonable. I suppose I'm trying to say that you and I are probably on the same page, and perhaps "stunningly naive" was a bit overblown.

Thanks for the reply. Keep up the good work!

I managed to get a couple letters printed in Scientific American, many years ago, but seeing my name in Skeptical Inquirer was really cool.

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Kil
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USA
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Posted - 02/20/2010 :  00:02:55   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Kil's Homepage  Send Kil an AOL message  Send Kil a Yahoo! Message Send Kil a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Very cool!!! I must get a copy...

Uncertainty may make you uncomfortable. Certainty makes you ridiculous.

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filthy
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Posted - 02/20/2010 :  04:13:50   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Excellent! Well done!




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bngbuck
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Posted - 02/20/2010 :  19:01:47   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send bngbuck a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Dave.....

I got published in Skeptical Inquirer
wow!
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sailingsoul
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Posted - 02/20/2010 :  20:17:15   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send sailingsoul a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Congratulations Dave,neat. SS

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HalfMooner
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Philippines
15831 Posts

Posted - 02/20/2010 :  21:20:47   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send HalfMooner a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Good for you, Dave! (Now, if I, too, could only get out of this crap-hole where I'm stuck!)

Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
Here's a link to Moonscape News, and one to its Archive.
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ThorGoLucky
Snuggle Wolf

USA
1487 Posts

Posted - 02/22/2010 :  14:43:22   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit ThorGoLucky's Homepage Send ThorGoLucky a Private Message  Reply with Quote
My thoughts exactly when I read the article. Congrats on getting published in the prestigious SI.
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