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cantbe323
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With only telescopes and radio waves to work with, the only credible evidence they have, astromomers say they have figured out the universe. They expect us to believe that the universe is expanding based on the theories of a red shift applied to the diminishing sound dopler effect when neither has been demonstrated in outer space. If that pipe dream wasn't enough, now we're expected to believe in a big bang and black holes that can't be seen.
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Posted - 01/27/2010 : 19:49:39 [Permalink]
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| In spite of his years (I haven't and won't check his bio), cantbe323 is pretty immature. Yet almost every post receives to many replies, like he's really saying something or making a real point, which is almost never the case. I believe he thinks himself, a puppeteer. SS |
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filthy
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Originally posted by sailingsoul
In spite of his years (I haven't and won't check his bio), cantbe323 is pretty immature. Yet almost every post receives to many replies, like he's really saying something or making a real point, which is almost never the case. I believe he thinks himself, a puppeteer. SS
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Either that or he's a glutton for punishment. Interesting thought...
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
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Posted - 01/28/2010 : 00:45:31 [Permalink]
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sailingsoul......
| Yet almost every post receives to many replies, like he's really saying something or making a real point, which is almost never the case. I believe he thinks himself, a puppeteer. SS |
Actually, he's more like the Pied Piper! There's a certain fascination about his utter naïveté and infantile ignorance that draws one to respond - much as a crawling insect compels many to step on it, despite the fact that it is doing no harm.
It's the siren song of senescent simplicity - just look at the folks that feel compelled to call me names! |
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Posted - 01/28/2010 : 04:20:12 [Permalink]
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Judging by the hour he shows up in here each day, he might well be holding down a job or even be a student. Which lends his stated age of 83 (but who's counting?) open to question.
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
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and Crypto-Communist!
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cantbe323
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Posted - 01/28/2010 : 15:56:53 [Permalink]
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In spite of his years (I haven't and won't check his bio), cantbe323 is pretty immature. Yet almost every post receives to many replies, like he's really saying something or making a real point, which is almost never the case. I believe he thinks himself, a puppeteer. SS>>
More like a shuttlecock in a rousing badmitton game...
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Cuneiformist
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Posted - 01/28/2010 : 19:20:18 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by cantbe323
With only telescopes and radio waves to work with, the only credible evidence they have, astromomers say they have figured out the universe. They expect us to believe that the universe is expanding based on the theories of a red shift applied to the diminishing sound dopler effect when neither has been demonstrated in outer space. If that pipe dream wasn't enough, now we're expected to believe in a big bang and black holes that can't be seen. |
No one claims to have "figured out" the universe. But plenty claim to have a good understanding of it. You reject red shift, but for a pretty lame reason.
The evidence for the big bang is pretty compelling, and has predictive power, too. I'm not sure that you can just hand-wave that away.
As for black holes, I'm not a versed enough to talk on that. It certainly was predicted by general relativity and I'm guessing that the evidence for them comes as well from seeing the interaction of the gravity well with observable matter. |
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Posted - 01/28/2010 : 20:53:43 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by cantbe323
With only telescopes and radio waves to work with, the only credible evidence they have, astromomers say they have figured out the universe. They expect us to believe that the universe is expanding based on the theories of a red shift applied to the diminishing sound dopler effect when neither has been demonstrated in outer space. If that pipe dream wasn't enough, now we're expected to believe in a big bang and black holes that can't be seen.
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cantbe323, sounds like you really haven't delved into the science of modern astronomy and the amazing discoveries they've been churning out the past many decades.
Such as, from nine years ago on black holes/event horizons...
http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2001/ast12jan_1.htm
What's your take on the NASA claims in the above link?
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"We are all connected; to each other biologically, to the earth chemically, to the rest of the universe atomically."
"So you're made of detritus [from exploded stars]. Get over it. Or better yet, celebrate it. After all, what nobler thought can one cherish than that the universe lives within us all?"
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Posted - 01/30/2010 : 15:41:42 [Permalink]
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The evidence for the big bang is pretty compelling, and has predictive power, too. I'm not sure that you can just hand-wave that away.
As for black holes, I'm not a versed enough to talk on that. It certainly was predicted by general relativity and I'm guessing that the evidence for them comes as well from seeing the interaction of the gravity well with observable matter. >>
Yes, but if they can't be seen by our most powerful telescopes, or delinated by radio waves, how can scientists be so sure they are what they say they are.
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Posted - 01/30/2010 : 17:21:53 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by cantbe323
Yes, but if they can't be seen by our most powerful telescopes, or delinated by radio waves, how can scientists be so sure they are what they say they are.
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cantbe323, shall we try this again?.....
Originally posted by Randy
cantbe323, sounds like you really haven't delved into the science of modern astronomy and the amazing discoveries they've been churning out the past many decades.
Such as, from nine years ago on black holes/event horizons...
http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2001/ast12jan_1.htm
What's your take on the NASA claims in the above link?
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"We are all connected; to each other biologically, to the earth chemically, to the rest of the universe atomically."
"So you're made of detritus [from exploded stars]. Get over it. Or better yet, celebrate it. After all, what nobler thought can one cherish than that the universe lives within us all?"
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Posted - 01/30/2010 : 17:27:38 [Permalink]
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| Yes, but if they can't be seen by our most powerful telescopes, or delinated by radio waves, how can scientists be so sure they are what they say they are. |
If atomic nuclei cannot be seen by a microscope or radar, how can scientists be so sure they (atomic nuclei) are what they say they are, and proceed to build an atomic bomb which works? The scientists that developed the first Atomic and then Hydrogen Bombs were not working from nuclear particle theory which was capable of direct visual observation. Yet they predicted absolutely correctly what atomic U235 fission and hydrogen fusion would create, and proved it by building bombs that exploded for all the world to see!
In your view, canbe123 how can have happened? Or do you deny that it did, in fact, happen? |
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Posted - 02/02/2010 : 13:15:18 [Permalink]
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cantbe323, sounds like you really haven't delved into the science of modern astronomy and the amazing discoveries they've been churning out the past many decades.
Such as, from nine years ago on black holes/event horizons...>>
Next thing you'll be saying is that theories are facts...
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Posted - 02/02/2010 : 14:12:32 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by cantbe323
cantbe323, sounds like you really haven't delved into the science of modern astronomy and the amazing discoveries they've been churning out the past many decades.
Such as, from nine years ago on black holes/event horizons...>>
Next thing you'll be saying is that theories are facts...
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In science, theories explain facts, which makes them factual in themselves. The Theory of Evolution is a prime example.
What "facts" do you base your speculations on? Do you have access to the telescopes?
Thought not...
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
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More scientific educated guesses
