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Fripp
SFN Regular
USA
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 Posted - 04/05/2010 : 07:09:48
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My impressions of yesterday: My wife is a Catholic and we have an agreement that I am only "required" to attend church on Xmas and on Easter. So during the sermon yesterday, the father recited the common account of Peter(?) and "another disciple" running to the cave and finding the stone rolled away. They never address the enormous inconsistencies between the resurrection accounts. The father went on about how people "have tried" to discount the "true" nature, but are unable to. I don't remember specifics, but he used ridiculous examples. He finished by saying "How did 12 unlearned fisherman convince the world that Jesus was the Messiah?" I say because EVERYONE was "unlearned" and probably most were either fisherman, shepherd, farmers, or humble carpenters. People were also very naive about the workings of the universe and were far more superstitious. Why wouldn't humble peasants love to hear that they were just as likely, perhaps even more likely, to find salvation in a second life (perhaps to make up for the crappiness of this one) and that they had a magical sky daddy who was watching out for them?
At last night's grace, my sister-in-law's father asked the "lord" for "guidance so that we can better serve him"!?!? These questions are nothing knew on my part, but why would a supreme being - one with powers that he could create a universe of this size - need inconsequential people like us to "serve him"? Isn't that akin to slavery? Or an insecure god?
Question for on fire for christ: why do you, and other god-fearing people like you, hate the Catholic church so much? Maybe "hate" is too strong a word; how about "dislike"?
Just some ruminations...
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
Philippines
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Posted - 04/05/2010 : 09:02:45 [Permalink]
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When a Catholic priest glibly gives the official (simplified and artificially conflated) version of the contradictory Gospels, he's doing so knowing that Catholic laity doesn't have a tradition of reading the Bible. He knows he can pretty much get away with his interpretation with little problem.
His was a hand-waving sermon, it appears. He just summed up the official story and claimed that it's very lack of historicity was proof of it's truth.
I was myself raised to suspect Catholicism of all sorts of evil. It's the old Protestant tradition to do so, you know. Truth is, the Prots are mostly right about that faith, just as the priest of the Church of Rome are largely right with their criticisms of Protestantism. I actually idslike the Roman Catholic Church somewhat more than I do Protestantism in general, considering its organized pedophilia. But I tend to like the Catholic laity a bit more than I like the Protestant laity as people.
Most Catholics are quite capable of disregarding the Church with a shrug when it tells them to do, or not do, something. Instead, they're in it for the tradition and ritual. Protestants tend to actually listen to and obey their preachers, sadly. |
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Robb
SFN Regular
USA
1223 Posts |
Posted - 04/05/2010 : 11:57:17 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Fripp
Question for on fire for christ: why do you, and other god-fearing people like you, hate the Catholic church so much? Maybe "hate" is too strong a word; how about "dislike"?
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I am not speaking for on fire for christ but the overall reason for me is that Catholics put man in between you and God. Some examples of Catholics faith we non-Catholic’s object to on the basis that the Bible does not teach them:
Praying to saints (dead people can somehow help you)
Canonization of saints (Christians are saints)
Mary worship (dead people can somehow help you)
Indulgences (People can absolve sin)
Purgatory (Not supported by the bible, Catholic teaching)
Priests can absolve sin (People can forgive sin)
Church hierarchy (People intrepret scripture for you)
Baptism of infants (People making a saving decision for somebody else)
Salvation by works (You need to do something to be saved)
Tradition is equal to scripture (Peoples writings)
Sacraments save (Peoples teachings not Gods)
Eucharist (Peoples teachings not Gods)
Hate is a strong word, the above list are major differences but if a Catholic believes in Jesus alone for their salvation they will be saved. I don't hate Catholics but I do hate what they teach.
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Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. - George Washington |
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BigPapaSmurf
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 04/05/2010 : 12:42:19 [Permalink]
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Don't forget the big ones,
Hotline to God (The pope/cardinals/bishops being holier than thou, or anyone else.)
Iconography (the holiness of objects and images, The Bible excluded except when one particular bible is holier than another)
I'd say these two items were the top two reasons for The Reformation. |
"...things I have neither seen nor experienced nor heard tell of from anybody else; things, what is more, that do not in fact exist and could not ever exist at all. So my readers must not believe a word I say." -Lucian on his book True History
"...They accept such things on faith alone, without any evidence. So if a fraudulent and cunning person who knows how to take advantage of a situation comes among them, he can make himself rich in a short time." -Lucian critical of early Christians c.166 AD From his book, De Morte Peregrini |
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Machi4velli
SFN Regular
USA
854 Posts |
Posted - 04/05/2010 : 18:20:33 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by BigPapaSmurf
I'd say these two items were the top two reasons for The Reformation.
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That or politics... |
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On fire for Christ
SFN Regular
Norway
1273 Posts |
Posted - 04/05/2010 : 18:21:08 [Permalink]
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| Well I don't say things like this very often because I am exceedingly liberal, but Catholics are going to hell for idolatry and heresy and deliberately misinterpreting the word of Christ. Also, my personal belief is that the Antichrist will come in the form of a pope. |
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Robb
SFN Regular
USA
1223 Posts |
Posted - 04/05/2010 : 20:05:33 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by On fire for Christ
Well I don't say things like this very often because I am exceedingly liberal, but Catholics are going to hell for idolatry and heresy and deliberately misinterpreting the word of Christ. Also, my personal belief is that the Antichrist will come in the form of a pope.
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The only reason people go to hell is because their sins have not been forgiven. Being Catholic has nothing to do with it. |
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
9687 Posts |
Posted - 04/06/2010 : 02:17:49 [Permalink]
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The only way to make sure you don't go to heaven is to blapheme against the Holy Ghost. Since it's mentioned as the only truly unforgivable sin.
But then, there are options in interpretation of that section too.
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ThorGoLucky
Snuggle Wolf
USA
1486 Posts |
Posted - 04/06/2010 : 07:46:56 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by On fire for Christ
Well I don't say things like this very often because I am exceedingly liberal, but Catholics are going to hell for idolatry and heresy and deliberately misinterpreting the word of Christ. Also, my personal belief is that the Antichrist will come in the form of a pope.
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Several years ago, I drove by a large billboard along I-5 in Washington state, and it read that Pope John Paul II was the antichrist. So the antichrist has come and gone as he always does, pope after pope after pope.
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
9687 Posts |
Posted - 04/06/2010 : 10:55:48 [Permalink]
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| Coincidentally, "Sunday Agony" was the name of my rock/blues band I played in when I was younger. |
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