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filthy
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Posted - 05/23/2010 :  11:38:10  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message  Reply with Quote

I am reading that some 57 ancient, Egyptian tombs have been found, the oldest of them dating to around 2750 BCE. Now then, the YECs insist that the earth is only some 6,000 years old, and the Big Ridiculous Flood happened some 4,000 years or a little less years ago, and the CE period began some 2,000 years ago -- ah, screw the math! This is an excellent, albeit rather ghoulish discovery.
CAIRO (AP) -- Archeologists have unearthed 57 ancient Egyptian tombs, most of which hold an ornately painted wooden sarcophagus with a mummy inside, Egypt's Supreme Council of Antiquities said Sunday.

The oldest tombs date back to around 2750 B.C. during the period of Egypt's first and second dynasties, the council said in a statement. Twelve of the tombs belong the 18th dynasty which ruled Egypt during the second millennium B.C.

The discovery throws new light on Egypt's ancient religions, the council said.

Egypt's archaeology chief, Zahi Hawass, said the mummies dating to the 18th dynasty are covered in linen decorated with religious texts from the Book of the Dead and scenes featuring ancient Egyptian deities.

Abdel Rahman El-Aydi, head of the archaeological mission that made the discovery, said some of the tombs are decorated with religious texts that ancient Egyptians believed would help the deceased to cross through the underworld.

El-Aydi said one of the oldest tombs is almost completely intact, with all of its funerary equipment and a wooden sarcophagus containing a mummy wrapped in linen.

Sort'a dries up the Biblical flood myth, doesn't it? Don'tcha just hate when that happens? Yeah, me too....

But all is not lost; this find has the potential to teach us a lot about ancient Egypt, the birthplace of western civilization, while the Bible teaches us historical squat.

But the fundies are nothing if not imaginative. It will be interesting to see what apologetics they come up with to write it off. And if they ignore it, as they might, well, that will say a lot, too.




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Dr. Mabuse
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Posted - 05/23/2010 :  12:43:44   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Dr. Mabuse an ICQ Message Send Dr. Mabuse a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Even if the descendants of Noa's sons were to pick up the Egyptian culture and continued it exactly as it was before the flood, the tombs would be damaged by the muddy water from the flood. Not intact.

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Dude
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Posted - 05/23/2010 :  13:32:27   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Dude a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Obviously the tombs are not as old as the "scientists" claim they are. Stupid scientists.

That will be the fundie response.


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ThorGoLucky
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Posted - 05/23/2010 :  16:37:43   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit ThorGoLucky's Homepage Send ThorGoLucky a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by filthy


Sort'a dries up the Biblical flood myth, doesn't it?

Well, if one were rational, logical, etc., then yes. As for other people like that guy, JediHunter, that I've been debating as per topic http://www.skepticfriends.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=13160 rejects the tree ring evidence that goes back ~10,000 years. And the ice core evidence? Pshah! {hand wave away} {hand wave away}
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HalfMooner
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Posted - 05/23/2010 :  17:09:12   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send HalfMooner a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Those tombs would have been on the sea-bottom for many months, well over 8,000 meters deep, in the world-wide Deluge ocean. That the mummy wrappings and paintings on wood could have survived so perfectly is impossible. From these facts alone, it's clear there never was a Noah's Flood 4,000 years ago. But the mummies date from about 4,760 years ago.

Also, bristlecone pines of the American West, some nearly 5,000 years old, would have died after being submerged miles deep under the ocean.

Only idiots and/or liars claim to believe in the Biblical Flood.

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Dude
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Posted - 05/23/2010 :  21:03:05   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Dude a Private Message  Reply with Quote
'Mooner, GOD is omnipotent! He just leaves confusing crap, like the millions of data points that mutually exclude a global flood, around to test the faith of his creations!

That's what the fundies will tell you.


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ThorGoLucky
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Posted - 05/23/2010 :  21:13:21   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit ThorGoLucky's Homepage Send ThorGoLucky a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Dude, it makes sense now: the observable world is a deception yet the correct interpretations of the scriptures within the observable world are not!
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Machi4velli
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Posted - 05/27/2010 :  15:01:40   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Machi4velli a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Dude

'Mooner, GOD is omnipotent! He just leaves confusing crap, like the millions of data points that mutually exclude a global flood, around to test the faith of his creations!

It's meant to weed out those with weak faith of course!

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sailingsoul
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Posted - 05/27/2010 :  16:14:51   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send sailingsoul a Private Message  Reply with Quote
What can anyone say to a person afraid of the dark? Unwilling to believe that wooden houses creak and there is no boogieman watching them from a shadow, preparing to pounce as soon a they fall asleep. What a terrifying way to live! It is sick, to perpetuate that baseless fantasy onto their own and others children, even after growing up themselves and long after they have evidence or know their own lack of. That is what we have going on. SS

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astropin
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Posted - 05/28/2010 :  09:27:36   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send astropin a Private Message  Reply with Quote
filthy, there are a million different ways the fundies can reconcile this......and not one of them will make any reasonable sense.

I would rather face a cold reality than delude myself with comforting fantasies.

You are free to believe what you want to believe and I am free to ridicule you for it.

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Robb
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Posted - 06/24/2010 :  21:16:29   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Robb a Private Message  Reply with Quote
You guys crack me up. A great historical find and all you guys care about is how it will affect fundies.

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Kil
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Posted - 06/24/2010 :  21:32:15   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Kil's Homepage  Send Kil an AOL message  Send Kil a Yahoo! Message Send Kil a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Robb

You guys crack me up. A great historical find and all you guys care about is how it will affect fundies.

Well... I care about the find, but this is a skeptic's site after all. Perhaps if we weren't dealing with creationists trying to put their "science" into science textbooks and complaining all the time about "Darwinists" we would have no reason to point out that the find also debunks the stupid "flood geology" myth. Eh?


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filthy
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Posted - 06/25/2010 :  03:06:29   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Robb

You guys crack me up. A great historical find and all you guys care about is how it will affect fundies.

It's called, "slippin' one in through the side door." I've managed to put up an excellent article for anyone interested in Egyptology and at the same time poked a little fun at some people whom I consider to be all but certifiable, as the mainstream Flood Wallopers certainly are.

Worked pretty well, didn't it?

In all truth, due to my recent hiatus, I don't know how well it worked. I've checked the sites of the usual suspects and found nothing concerning it. Perhaps they too, did the math, came up short, and decided that no comment was better than encouraging their rank & file to start figgerin' as well.

Evidently, Robb, you enjoyed the article as much as I did. The history of ancient Egypt is fascinating, is it not?




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Robb
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Posted - 06/25/2010 :  07:24:09   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Robb a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by filthy

Evidently, Robb, you enjoyed the article as much as I did. The history of ancient Egypt is fascinating, is it not?




Yes, my children love ancient egypt and have been studying it for awhile. We went to see the King Tut exhibit when it was in Dallas last year and we all found it very interesting. Also my 5 yo's favorite toy.

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