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ThorGoLucky
Snuggle Wolf

USA
1447 Posts

Posted - 05/06/2010 :  18:28:58  Show Profile  Visit ThorGoLucky's Homepage Send ThorGoLucky a Private Message  Reply with Quote
A coward, and I have the gall to not include other points of view in my arguments!

http://www.area51moh.com/main/smf/index.php?topic=5142.0

Yes, I'm still doing a bit of trolling at a friends video gaming forum.

HalfMooner
Dingaling

Philippines
15831 Posts

Posted - 05/06/2010 :  21:17:19   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send HalfMooner a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Yeah, you're a "coward" for rejecting Noah's Ark. And for having the further effrontery not to provide arguments for the Ark. (Hey, the guy doesn't have any evidence, so all he's doing is asking for a little help! That's only fair. You should be flattered.)

What a wonderful non sequitur it is to call you a coward for being sanely skeptical. It's like being called a thief because of liking the Beatles.

Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
Here's a link to Moonscape News, and one to its Archive.
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filthy
SFN Die Hard

USA
14408 Posts

Posted - 05/07/2010 :  02:29:58   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
This Ark business has the potential for immortality -- we'll never hear the end of it. It's been a while, though, since anyone's tried to defend it in here.

JediHunter needs to clean up his writing and break himself of the habit of bugging out when faced with debate. That's very poor form, and the "you are dismissed" is merely snotty and a sure sign of a lack of argument. It might be fun to pick out the logical fallacies in his postings and gently, heh, show him where he has been amiss. I saw some doozies in there. I especally liked the "goat" red herring.




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ThorGoLucky
Snuggle Wolf

USA
1447 Posts

Posted - 05/07/2010 :  15:56:42   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit ThorGoLucky's Homepage Send ThorGoLucky a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Thanks for your input, Mooner & filthy.

JediHunter posted an interesting reply.
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Machi4velli
SFN Regular

USA
854 Posts

Posted - 05/09/2010 :  22:30:57   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Machi4velli a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Just wanted to see if everyone saw this blog in Thor's link. Wow.

http://erichovind.blogspot.com/

"Truth does not change because it is, or is not, believed by a majority of the people."
-Giordano Bruno

"The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, but the illusion of knowledge."
-Stephen Hawking

"Seeking what is true is not seeking what is desirable"
-Albert Camus
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the_ignored
SFN Addict

2550 Posts

Posted - 05/10/2010 :  00:05:09   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send the_ignored a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Oh hell yeah. We know all about Eric and Sye.

Eric:
http://www.skepticfriends.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=8388
http://www.skepticfriends.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=8607

Sye:
http://www.wearesmrt.com/bb/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=498

Eric and Sye:
http://stephenlaw.blogspot.com/2009/11/sye-show-continues.html

>From: enuffenuff@fastmail.fm
(excerpt follows):
> I'm looking to teach these two bastards a lesson they'll never forget.
> Personal visit by mates of mine. No violence, just a wee little chat.
>
> **** has also committed more crimes than you can count with his
> incitement of hatred against a religion. That law came in about 2007
> much to ****'s ignorance. That is fact and his writing will become well
> know as well as him becoming a publicly known icon of hatred.
>
> Good luck with that fuckwit. And Reynold, fucking run, and don't stop.
> Disappear would be best as it was you who dared to attack me on my
> illness knowing nothing of the cause. You disgust me and you are top of
> the list boy. Again, no violence. Just regular reminders of who's there
> and visits to see you are behaving. Nothing scary in reality. But I'd
> still disappear if I was you.

What brought that on? this. Original posting here.

Another example of this guy's lunacy here.
Edited by - the_ignored on 05/10/2010 00:11:29
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sailingsoul
SFN Addict

2830 Posts

Posted - 05/10/2010 :  06:31:59   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send sailingsoul a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Ha! This could be fun but maybe not if it just is about who started insulting who first. I might get into this if it can be productive. Just getting either side to examine and writing about their beliefs in a sincere way. Sincere as when questions are asked they are not just ignored but answered or addressed. It's a tough call, I don't need another excuse to spend more time on another forum. If there a benefit it might be worth it. However! I'm leaving today to sail a boat to Ft.Lauderdale, 1150 knots nonstop and will be out of touch for 9 days or so. Expecting to make 5/6 knots each 24 hours, that's 135 or less a day, giving weather conditions. All down wind, weeee!

Hay, we can do a test. If the boat goes down and I die, I'll try to get back to OFFC and let him know theists are right![wink] I'll send Thor an message and give him a four word comment. That way if I do contact OFFC and give Him the same code words. He'll be able to prove it with Thor. If I never post again, you'll all know why. Cheers. SS

There are only two types of religious people, the deceivers and the deceived. SS
Edited by - sailingsoul on 05/10/2010 06:34:33
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ThorGoLucky
Snuggle Wolf

USA
1447 Posts

Posted - 05/10/2010 :  13:16:40   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit ThorGoLucky's Homepage Send ThorGoLucky a Private Message  Reply with Quote
May you have smoooooth sailing, sailingsoul.
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ThorGoLucky
Snuggle Wolf

USA
1447 Posts

Posted - 05/30/2010 :  01:11:41   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit ThorGoLucky's Homepage Send ThorGoLucky a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I finally had to call Dunning-Kruger on that guy and gave him a link to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyOHJa5Vj5Y
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend

Sweden
9666 Posts

Posted - 05/30/2010 :  02:30:19   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Dr. Mabuse an ICQ Message Send Dr. Mabuse a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Awesome link! Thanks!

Dr. Mabuse - "When the going gets tough, the tough get Duct-tape..."
Dr. Mabuse whisper.mp3

"Equivocation is not just a job, for a creationist it's a way of life..." Dr. Mabuse

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Send them unarmed civilians for target practice..
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Kil
Evil Skeptic

USA
13457 Posts

Posted - 05/30/2010 :  07:14:31   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Kil's Homepage  Send Kil an AOL message  Send Kil a Yahoo! Message Send Kil a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hey Thor.I don't know if you are aware of it, but filthy has written a fine essay on the problems with the Ark story:

Fundamentalists Hate Noah's Ark


It might due for you to check out some of our articles for your site.

Sure, I'm a shameless promoter, but I wouldn't suggest anything that isn't quality...

Uncertainty may make you uncomfortable. Certainty makes you ridiculous.

Why not question something for a change?

Genetic Literacy Project
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pleco
SFN Addict

USA
2996 Posts

Posted - 05/30/2010 :  08:26:56   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit pleco's Homepage Send pleco a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I assume the fundies also say that there was no incest involved in repopulating humans after the Great Flood, right?

by Filthy
The neo-con methane machine will soon be running at full fart.
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ThorGoLucky
Snuggle Wolf

USA
1447 Posts

Posted - 05/30/2010 :  16:42:46   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit ThorGoLucky's Homepage Send ThorGoLucky a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Dr. Mabuse, yes that TheraminTrees guy on YouTube does good work, along with his colleague QualiaSoup.

Kil, shamelessly promote away. If there are SFN articles that you think should be linked into specific sections of Debunkatron.com, please let me know.

pleco, that question like so may is avoided, haha.
Edited by - ThorGoLucky on 05/30/2010 16:43:19
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ThorGoLucky
Snuggle Wolf

USA
1447 Posts

Posted - 05/31/2010 :  19:08:00   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit ThorGoLucky's Homepage Send ThorGoLucky a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Oh this is extra special. The other guy, JawnDough, claims that the Bible says that the universe is expanding!

http://www.area51moh.com/main/smf/index.php?topic=5142.msg39600#msg39600
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Machi4velli
SFN Regular

USA
854 Posts

Posted - 05/31/2010 :  22:07:37   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Machi4velli a Private Message  Reply with Quote
http://www.icr.org/article/524/

Haha, the pi measurement is right because of modern engineering conventions!

"Truth does not change because it is, or is not, believed by a majority of the people."
-Giordano Bruno

"The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, but the illusion of knowledge."
-Stephen Hawking

"Seeking what is true is not seeking what is desirable"
-Albert Camus
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend

Sweden
9666 Posts

Posted - 06/01/2010 :  02:57:48   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Dr. Mabuse an ICQ Message Send Dr. Mabuse a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Machi4velli

http://www.icr.org/article/524/

Haha, the pi measurement is right because of modern engineering conventions!

Obviously, the person writing down the biblical passage wasn't a stickler for absolute correctness, but opted to choose a writing style suited to not bore his audience to death. Given the person I am, I probably would, but for most people just giving the sense of the proportions are enough.
So I really have no problem with that article, other than that they claim exactly those modern engineering/scientific conventions as an explanation for the discrepancy, rather than the obvious interpretation: The passage wasn't written to accomodate engineers, but uneducated people who thought Pi was someting you could eat.

Dr. Mabuse - "When the going gets tough, the tough get Duct-tape..."
Dr. Mabuse whisper.mp3

"Equivocation is not just a job, for a creationist it's a way of life..." Dr. Mabuse

Support American Troops in Iraq:
Send them unarmed civilians for target practice..
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