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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
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 Posted - 01/26/2011 : 10:03:17 [Permalink]
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Well, if we're going to keep at it:| 97e – Believe that expansion of the universe is evident without any proof. |
This is just re-stating your argument; it's not actually evidence. |
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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
USA
4955 Posts |
Posted - 01/26/2011 : 10:27:17 [Permalink]
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By the way, to have any real discussion of the expansion of the universe, shouldn't you begin by addressing the Friedmann–Lemaître–Robertson–Walker metric?
The key issues were first published in Friedmann's "Über die Möglichkeit einer Welt mit konstanter negativer Krümmung des Raumes," from Zeitschrift für Physik 21 (1924). I have a PDF of the article, if you'd like it. The English is "On the Possibility of a World with Constant Negative Curvature of Space," and a translation was published in General Relativity and Gravitation 31 (1999). I have a PDF of that, too.
Point is, it's not like these ideas were dreamt up willy-nilly out of thin air. Instead, there are lots of compelling reasons to see this to be true-- reasons borne out of some pretty complex math and difficult-to-understand physics and the like. Moreover, there have been observations that support these ideas.
You obviously have trouble understanding those observations, and that's OK. So do I. But rather than assume that your lack of understanding means that they can't be true, a better approach (and one that will probably help your sanity) is to just try to understand them better. The reality is that if there is a problem with the Standard Model, it's not going to be observed from the likes of you. Go to school to study math and cosmology. Then go to grad school and study more. And then see if your objections hold up. I'm guessing they won't. |
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lbiar
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Posted - 02/13/2011 : 19:36:01 [Permalink]
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Many evidences not give reason, but also not quit.
Big Bang and universe expansion are creationism, belief, magic, sect, gods, ...
More added to before:
1se - There is not any proof of expansion and Big Bang
2se - Draw the geometrical figure like universe expand
3se - Make experimentally an expansion or creation of space from nothing
4se - Many false evidences and proofs, but none experiment consistent
5se - None probability of true, but only a belief, sect or religion
6se - expansion is creationism (expansion is not from compressed)
7se - Already more of 50 years in belief scientific
8se - Expansion is a triple fraud and don't mean compression, means creation.
9se - Universe with expansion visual explain perfectly what we see and measure.
10se - All begin from that seem to expand (time delay, ..)
11se - Resume: impossible expansion and equal in all directions
12se - Hubble's law and distance-speed relation are very perfect to be another thing that an optic effect
13se - All the facts are against expansion
14se - Flat and homogeneous are incompatible with expansion equall in all directions.
15se - Big Bang creationist
27e - Many informations of incredible theories and nothing over visible things
28e - For expansion there are not knows physic laws
29e - What physic law allow expand empty space?
30e - Only an expansion by axis (3d=cubic) can to be flat and homogeneous
31e - How galaxies can sweep a universe in expansion?
32e - Each person has a different idea of expansion and Big Bang
33e - Only can to be an optic effect
34e - Physics cannot admit any form of creation
35e - The only 1 is that can expand visually like say the theory of expansion is an optic effect.
36e - Nothing can to be created or destroyed
37e - Physic facts cannot be against physic laws and mathematics.
38e - The reality is easy and clear according to physic laws that also are easy and clear.
39e - Deuterium from First Three Minutes is incompatible with first atoms in CMBR
40e - Impossible galaxies collision and new stars in present days.
41e - Inflation theory is not a good theory, it's needed for not crash the expansion theory.
42e - The background (CMB) expand near light speed.
43e - Expansion (unknown force) has more power that gravity (know force)
44e - Instantaneous and inexhaustible
45e - Expansion need physic laws unknowns (and/or 28e)
46e - Expansion need to take in count size of galaxies.
47e - A universe in expansion would to be against Hubble's law
48e - Only an optic effect is according to visual expansion and physic laws. (47e, ..)
49e - Why we are not at universe end?
50e - Expansion & Big-Bang can't explain Universe start & end and nothing of nothing
51e - Casual that expand equal in all point and with fossil register
52e - few probably not to see any end of the universe and see all the CMBR (and 49e)
53e - Science must not admit superstition and data without proofs
54e - The theory explain how could pass, but admit impossibles
55e - Angle fault
56e - CMBR temperature
57e - There are many optical effects and are different of what really happens
58e - The expansion need a proof
59e - Expansion and Big Bang theories are near perfect, but impossibles
60e - With actual and registered expansion the universe would be more little
61e - Only is possible a universe without expansion
62e - Universe is physic not philosophic
63e - Expansion and Big Bang are against know physic laws.
64e - From where expand
65e - From where born so much mass-energy without space?
66e - How was created mass, energy, time, first space, ...?
67e - Why brake the inflation?. And Why so much?. And Why now balance with speed and distance of the CMB?
68e - Big Crunch has not relation with escape forces
69e - Error predictions and theories
70e - Deuterium
71e - If Deuterium theory is fake. How much more? (and 39e)
72e - What is the relation between particles physic and Big Bang?: none
73e - If in Big Bang was creation this is magic
74e - What is more impossible that expand or create space and in all directions and places?
75e - Life has begin and end, matter-energy not.
76e - If anything seem impossible and all indicates that really is impossible: Why is evident that exist?
77e - Expansion and Big Bang have nothing logical
78e - What happens when people needed to demonstrate anything is false, but believe in it?
79e - Expansion and Big Bang only obey at magic laws
80e - What happens if the scientific is believer and not skeptical? (and 78e)
81e - Particles physic and expansion have not relation
82e - Science not admit miracles (creation=miracle and magic)
83e - Big Bang is or magic (creation) or it's not the begin and there is a pre-Big Bang
84e - An optic effect is flat
85e - If universe expand only in places without gravity there are problems
86e - If space expand (or create) we need to close the physic and believe in magic and gods.
87e - 1 only mm created (or expanded) need to take place in all the universe or compress the near space
88e - Expansion cannot be at same time anything and opposite
89e - Expansion and Big Bang are impossibles total
90e - Many supposed evidences and proof have not double direction
91e - Astronomers and scientists in general today are sectarian.
92e - The paradoxical of that farthest stars is the maximum we can see in the future
93e - The called expansion is really creation
94e - In compressed space the light and bodies would travel more slowly
95e - Attention, many believers are fanatics
96e - It's easy confuse live with universe
97e - Each person has a different idea over expansion and Big Bang
98e - Our eyes mistake us in daily: Why do you believe don't mistake in far?
99e - Mind so good for UFO would consider today UFO true, evident and with proofs.
100e - If you can create anything from nothing is probably I believe any possibility of expansion of the universe
101e - Expansion in places without gravity and nor in gravity places is incompatible with physic laws
102e - Think in a universe from 0 to all seem ridiculous
103e - if time 0 creates Big Bang how time 13.5 billions years don't create nothing more that space
104e - Expansion and Big Bang need changes in physic laws
105e - Why expand empty space and not expand not empty space?
106e - The universe-nature usually re-use the same figures, but not expansion form.
107e - Homogeneity is a fact, expansion not
108e - Is easy to say that not expand in places with gravity
109e - Why only space expand?
110e - Not seem strange that religions are gratefully with expansion and Big Bang (creationism)
111e - Do you believe that I need to be submitted by believers in expansion?
112e - Any logic person understand that expansion is impossible
113e - Physic laws are the same in space and time, but against expansion theories.
114e - If scientists think evident what is impossible: Where is the limit? How much more things are bad?
115e - Bad day the day that scientists make a sect.
116e - Universities of astronomy can to be another thing that proselytism
117e - for astronomers any strange thing according to expansion is proof and evidence
118e - Science not need gods, but expansion (creation) need theirs.
119e - All scientific believed in expansion don't make it true.
120e - Big Rip and Big Crunch have probabilities less of 1/billion
121e - Bad information and calculus in the CMBR
122e - Expansion theory say galaxies are before stars
123e - All before CMBR according to theory use unknown and changing physic laws
124e - Impossible is impossible even with scientists belief in it.
125e - Why expansion and Big Bang are evidents?
126e - Universe don't need explanation of expansion
127e - Don't exist: black energy, blackbody
128e - The basic origin of expansion and Big Bang are impossible
129e - Expansion is not possible cubic, but also not spherical.
130e - How is the universe
131e - Expansion only in zones without gravity is against Hubble's law
132e - Expansion and Big Bang are creationism theories.
133e - Skeptical religious that accept expansion really are not skeptical: accept creation, and creation is creationism and means magic and gods.
134e - Many believers are pacific, but proselytism and extremist not.
135e - Give by proved and evident the impossible also is a form to not find the true
136e - Physic laws would need to change for adequate to expansion theories.
137e - Inflation is crazy into the crazy
138e - Astronomers thing theories are robust, but really have not sense
139e - Dark energy create space like if electric energy would create cables
140e - Universe without expansion is according to physic laws
141e - A curved universe is not flat
142e - false: "Existence of the blackbody CMB. This shows that the Universe has evolved from a dense, isothermal state"
143e - If not know say don't know, not say expand (create)
144e - Creationism = success for religious
145e - What strange cause admit expansion when tired light and steady state was rejected
146e - If expansion is real by visual, also are real and not only visual: mirages, rainbow, aurora borealis
900e - Big Bang evidence are not evidence
901e - There is no proof over expansion and Big Bang
902e - Only there are proof and evidences anti Big Bang and anti expansion
903e - All have errors
904e - Expansion and Big Bang are unsustainable
905e - Facts bad interpreted and bad understand
906e - I don't use magic, not anti physic laws, ...
907e - Each people believe a thing different over expansion and Big Bang
908e - Any strange theory supported by big brains can seem good
909e - That scientific believe in expansion not means it's true
All in my page : http://bigbangno.wordpress.com/
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lbiar
New Member
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Posted - 02/13/2011 : 19:39:01 [Permalink]
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What means an religious skeptik that believe in creation of space (bad so called expansion of space), in creation of all (Big Bang).
So religious skeptik but believe in creationism: Who create it?: magic, gods, God. |
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
USA
26021 Posts |
Posted - 02/13/2011 : 20:15:42 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by lbiar
Many evidences not give reason, but also not quit.
Big Bang and universe expansion are creationism, belief, magic, sect, gods, ...
More added to before:
1se - There is not any proof of expansion and Big Bang |
Anyone who asks for "proof" from science is obviously out of touch with reality and need not be taken seriously.| 2se - Draw the geometrical figure like universe expand |
That's funny.| 3se - Make experimentally an expansion or creation of space from nothing |
That's even funnier.| 4se - Many false evidences and proofs, but none experiment consistent |
This is just you displaying your ignorance of what it means to "experiment" in the field of cosmology.
Skipping ahead...| 144e - Creationism = success for religious |
This is just dumb.| 145e - What strange cause admit expansion when tired light and steady state was rejected |
The evidence did.
Skip...| 909e - That scientific believe in expansion not means it's true |
Doesn't mean it's false, either. |
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