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dglas
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 Posted - 07/12/2010 : 21:18:37 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dude
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| Now, the real question is, what sort of influence did this have on the people who were exposed to it - and on what scale? |
That is an interesting question. I'd go out on an anecdotal limb and say that the influence was significant, for me it was probably the first time I ever thought about ethics beyond the whole right/wrong punishment/reward level.
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I'll be honest - it is almost certainly what sparked my interest in analytic ethics and initiated, to a significant degree, my road to skepticism. |
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
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Posted - 07/13/2010 : 01:42:16 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by tomk80
Originally posted by dglas
Apparently Dawkins is okay with science fiction, but is not okay with fantasy fiction. As a life-long role-playing gamer, allow me to say the following here for your thoughts and amusement....
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Linky?
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It's second source, but I do not doubt it's fairly correct:
http://www.skepticfriends.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=13330&whichpage=2#182136 |
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tomk80
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Netherlands
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Posted - 07/13/2010 : 02:31:31 [Permalink]
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Was that the link you meant to put there?
Anyway, it does confirm other things I've read from Dawkins where he wants to investigate whether fairytales and similar stories have a beneficial or harmful effect on children. Personally, I think he's an idiot on this point. But than I love fairytales and remember with a lot of fondness the "Lecturana sprookjes" that we had in my youth. With fairytales in a book and spoken on a cassette, so you could read along while the storyteller told the story (and a "ping" whenever you had to turn the page... Ah, memories).
And I must say I have the same thing with people who wonder whether they should participate in Santa Claus and tell their kids Santa Claus is real. Although here my opinion is also biased because we have "Sinterklaas en Zwarte Piet" in the Netherlands, which is actually fun (instead of the sterile Coca Cola version that you have).
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`Contrariwise,' continued Tweedledee, `if it was so, it might be; and if it were so, it would be; but as it isn't, it ain't. That's logic.'
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Ebone4rock
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Posted - 07/13/2010 : 05:34:42 [Permalink]
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| Now, the real question is, what sort of influence did this have on the people who were exposed to it - and on what scale? |
I don't see any reason why people who are into fantasy role-playing would be any more likely than those who don't to fall into religion.
As far as your arguments about teaching ethics and that stuff.....real life does the same thing. I remember when I was a kid telling my mom " the Nintendo is great for training my eye-hand coordination". Your arguments sound the same to me....justifying a large amount of time playing games. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
The main detrimental thing I can see happening with too much fantasy role-playing is that it would keep a guy from getting laid by an actual real live woman. |
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dglas
Skeptic Friend
Canada
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Posted - 07/13/2010 : 06:36:58 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Ebone4rock
| Now, the real question is, what sort of influence did this have on the people who were exposed to it - and on what scale? |
I don't see any reason why people who are into fantasy role-playing would be any more likely than those who don't to fall into religion.
As far as your arguments about teaching ethics and that stuff.....real life does the same thing. I remember when I was a kid telling my mom " the Nintendo is great for training my eye-hand coordination". Your arguments sound the same to me....justifying a large amount of time playing games. Not that there's anything wrong with that. |
Busted!
Originally posted by Ebone4rock
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The main detrimental thing I can see happening with too much fantasy role-playing is that it would keep a guy from getting laid by an actual real live woman.
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Now that you mention it .... Hey! |
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Dave W.
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ThorGoLucky
Snuggle Wolf
USA
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Posted - 07/14/2010 : 15:49:19 [Permalink]
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Thanks for posting, dglas. I played D&D v2 decades ago and gave v4 a try recently in a one-shot campaign.
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
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Posted - 07/15/2010 : 01:40:02 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by tomk80
Was that the link you meant to put there?
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Yes... |
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