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The Rat
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Posted - 10/19/2010 :  05:57:04  Show Profile  Visit The Rat's Homepage Send The Rat a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Can someone do us all a favour and smack this stupid lying bitch upside the head? She's had 9 years to learn the facts, but why should she let that get in the way of breeding paranoia? When you keep people in fear it's easier to control them.


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Dave W.
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Posted - 10/19/2010 :  06:48:50   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I think the most important part of Angle's mistakes is that she's using "the terrorists" as an example of how the U.S. needs to better combat illegal immigration, but all of the 9/11 hijackers came here on valid, government-issued visas. According to the article, the "they came from Canada" canard has been around since 9/12 and is apparently wide-spread, but the implied "9/11 happened because of illegal immigration" idea is a new one to me, and seems to me to be a much more pernicious political lie.

Has any actual or would-be (caught before the act) terrorist entered the U.S.A. illegally?

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Kil
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Posted - 10/19/2010 :  08:12:24   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Kil's Homepage  Send Kil an AOL message  Send Kil a Yahoo! Message Send Kil a Private Message  Reply with Quote
The Tea Party seem to be perfectly comfortable just making shit up. Not that politicians haven't done that in the past, but now it seems to be coming more out of ignorance than political maneuvering. I submit that Sharon Angle and many of her contemporaries are just plain stupid...

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HalfMooner
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Posted - 10/19/2010 :  20:49:11   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send HalfMooner a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I don't want to be too much of a Godwin's Law breaker, but this kind of racist scapegoating shit is straight out of Mein Kampf, and just as paranoic, dishonest, and potentially dangerous. The GOP's Teabaggers are the closest force of any importance in today's American politics to the Nazis of the 1930's. Almost all they lack is a clever and charismatic Leader. (And boy, do they lack those!)

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Dr. Mabuse
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Posted - 10/20/2010 :  07:14:38   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Dr. Mabuse an ICQ Message Send Dr. Mabuse a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Time to dust off the old movie "The Wave" and show it to all High-Schoolers.
Obviously, almost a generation missed the important lessons it had to teach. I saw it in school, I wonder if it wasn't mandatory part of the High School curricula at the time.

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Robb
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Posted - 10/22/2010 :  05:59:41   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Robb a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by HalfMooner

I don't want to be too much of a Godwin's Law breaker, but this kind of racist scapegoating shit is straight out of Mein Kampf, and just as paranoic, dishonest, and potentially dangerous. The GOP's Teabaggers are the closest force of any importance in today's American politics to the Nazis of the 1930's. Almost all they lack is a clever and charismatic Leader. (And boy, do they lack those!)

Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. - George Washington
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Dr. Mabuse
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Posted - 10/22/2010 :  06:45:41   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Dr. Mabuse an ICQ Message Send Dr. Mabuse a Private Message  Reply with Quote
You seem unimpressed, Robb. Don't you think there's an important lesson to learn here?


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Robb
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Posted - 10/22/2010 :  10:15:45   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Robb a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse

You seem unimpressed, Robb. Don't you think there's an important lesson to learn here?


They all lie, Republicans, Democrates, Greens, Libertarians etc.

Can we let the nazi references go? No one in the U.S. is saying anything near to what the nazi's actually did.

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Dr. Mabuse
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Posted - 10/22/2010 :  11:46:24   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Dr. Mabuse an ICQ Message Send Dr. Mabuse a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Robb
Can we let the nazi references go? No one in the U.S. is saying anything near to what the nazi's actually did.
It's not as much what they say, as how they say it.
They have an agenda and are prepated to employ evil tacticts to see it through.

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filthy
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Posted - 10/22/2010 :  12:21:34   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
The Rude Pundit:
Sharron Angle Is Running the Most Hateful Senate Campaign Out There:

So what's the proper response to "Man up," the emasculating slogan now being used as a near chant by Nevada Republican Sharron Angle in her campaign speeches? Ever since she said it at her lugubrious debate with Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, Angle has been acting like an old porn star who just got vaginoplasty and wants to show her newly-tucked pussy to everyone. At a rally yesterday in Vegas, Angle said, "He needs to take some responsibility. He says it is not his fault on the economy. Man up, Harry Reid. He says there is no problem with Social Security. Man up, Harry Reid. He says this war is lost and your general is dishonest. You owe us an apology. Man up, Harry Reid."




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Robb
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Posted - 10/22/2010 :  20:20:08   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Robb a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse

Originally posted by Robb
Can we let the nazi references go? No one in the U.S. is saying anything near to what the nazi's actually did.
It's not as much what they say, as how they say it.
They have an agenda and are prepated to employ evil tacticts to see it through.
Again, all politicians do this and none of them are Nazies.

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HalfMooner
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Posted - 10/23/2010 :  01:22:12   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send HalfMooner a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Robb

Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse

Originally posted by Robb
Can we let the nazi references go? No one in the U.S. is saying anything near to what the nazi's actually did.
It's not as much what they say, as how they say it.
They have an agenda and are prepated to employ evil tacticts to see it through.
Again, all politicians do this and none of them are Nazies.
I did not call Teabaggers, or the GOP, Nazis, Robb. What I did was point out real similarities in scapegoating, racist tactics between the Teabaggers and the Nazis of the 1930's.

Think of it this way: Suppose I were a devout Presbyterian. Further suppose I heard a minister at a Presbyterian church preach against the Virgin Birth, saying it was an absurd concept. I might state that, in this matter, this wayward Presbyterian vicar might as well be working from the playbook of the German Rationalist Unitarians. In giving this historical reference, I am not calling the preacher a Unitarian, but simply giving a fairly recent historical source for his kind of thinking.

Likewise, comparing the tactics of Teabagger candidates who use divisive, scapegoating lies, to the Nazis is fair play, I think. The Nazis, after all, perfected this kind of demagoguery within living memory. Of course, most Teabaggers are not Nazis. The Nazis had more orderly rallies, could spell their slogans better, and had fairly consistent (though horrendous) programs.

Teabaggers, it seems to me, resemble Nazis only in their sense of frustrated ethnic privilege, their common paranoia and their search for scapegoats to blame for their own failings or problems.

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ThorGoLucky
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USA
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Posted - 10/27/2010 :  09:05:44   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit ThorGoLucky's Homepage Send ThorGoLucky a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse

Time to dust off the old movie "The Wave" and show it to all High-Schoolers.
Obviously, almost a generation missed the important lessons it had to teach. I saw it in school, I wonder if it wasn't mandatory part of the High School curricula at the time.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1063669/
Ooo, that looks very interesting.
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Robb
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Posted - 10/27/2010 :  12:52:55   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Robb a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by HalfMooner

Originally posted by Robb

Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse

Originally posted by Robb
Can we let the nazi references go? No one in the U.S. is saying anything near to what the nazi's actually did.
It's not as much what they say, as how they say it.
They have an agenda and are prepated to employ evil tacticts to see it through.
Again, all politicians do this and none of them are Nazies.
I did not call Teabaggers, or the GOP, Nazis, Robb. What I did was point out real similarities in scapegoating, racist tactics between the Teabaggers and the Nazis of the 1930's.

Think of it this way: Suppose I were a devout Presbyterian. Further suppose I heard a minister at a Presbyterian church preach against the Virgin Birth, saying it was an absurd concept. I might state that, in this matter, this wayward Presbyterian vicar might as well be working from the playbook of the German Rationalist Unitarians. In giving this historical reference, I am not calling the preacher a Unitarian, but simply giving a fairly recent historical source for his kind of thinking.

Likewise, comparing the tactics of Teabagger candidates who use divisive, scapegoating lies, to the Nazis is fair play, I think. The Nazis, after all, perfected this kind of demagoguery within living memory. Of course, most Teabaggers are not Nazis. The Nazis had more orderly rallies, could spell their slogans better, and had fairly consistent (though horrendous) programs.

Teabaggers, it seems to me, resemble Nazis only in their sense of frustrated ethnic privilege, their common paranoia and their search for scapegoats to blame for their own failings or problems.
I get it. But why single out conservatives then? They all do use divisive scapegoating lies. Why not acknowledge that and compare the democrates to Nazies?

Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. - George Washington
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H. Humbert
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USA
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Posted - 10/27/2010 :  13:50:32   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send H. Humbert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Robb
I get it. But why single out conservatives then? They all do use divisive scapegoating lies. Why not acknowledge that and compare the democrates to Nazies?
There's no equivalency here to acknowledge, Robb. Fascism is a conservative ideology. The Nazis purged liberals, intellectuals, homosexuals and immigrant minorities. Conservative Republicans are now capitalizing on the same fears and bigotry to demonize the same groups. They stoke hate and racial prejudice. Conservatives routinely use violent rhetoric which is increasingly manifesting as actual violence. You have to be either blind or stupid not to see the similarities between the current situation in this country and 1930s Germany. This is way beyond "politics as usual."


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Edited by - H. Humbert on 10/27/2010 13:52:56
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filthy
SFN Die Hard

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Posted - 10/27/2010 :  14:56:57   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Robb:
I get it. But why single out conservatives then? They all do use divisive scapegoating lies. Why not acknowledge that and compare the democrates to Nazies?

Once upon a time, many of them were quite Nazi-like.The party split largely over slavery, the more moderate ones defecting to other parties. Sound familiar? It should, as it's happening to today's Republicans even as we speak.

Evolution never rests, eh?




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