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Dave W.
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Posted - 11/18/2010 :  06:53:52  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message  Reply with Quote
The subject is "Does a Good God Exist," and it starts in about 40 minutes (9:30 AM, Eastern time).

The Friendly Atheist got ahold of the discussion guide for the middle- and high-school students who'll be the audience.

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Posted - 11/18/2010 :  07:18:27   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Dave W.

The subject is "Does a Good God Exist," and it starts in about 40 minutes (9:30 AM, Eastern time).

The Friendly Atheist got ahold of the discussion guide for the middle- and high-school students who'll be the audience.

PZ sez that Dembski is even dumber than he'd thought, to go up against Hitchins. Having read a fair amount of both their writings, I'm inclined to agree.

Afterward, Dembski can go back to Uncommon Deceit Descent and claim an astounding victory.

It'll be fun....




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Posted - 11/18/2010 :  07:41:10   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Well, 10 minutes in already, and I've heard nothing but an introduction of the whole thing and some snippets of piano music.

I wonder if, maybe, high demand is crushing the server.

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Posted - 11/18/2010 :  07:57:21   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message  Reply with Quote
25 minutes, and Opie's Caleb's introduction is being re-played.

It's about using this debate as "practice" against the "other team" (atheism).

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Posted - 11/18/2010 :  08:11:06   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
It's going now with Hitchen's opener.




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Dave W.
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Posted - 11/18/2010 :  08:20:41   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I had to leave the room, and so missed the first dunno-how-many minutes.

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Posted - 11/18/2010 :  08:28:10   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Dembski is reading his opener. Ugh. So little engagement with the audience.

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Posted - 11/18/2010 :  08:29:32   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Dembski: "buy my book!"

Geez, he's just going through a litany of creationist talking points.

ETA he thinks he's making good responses to points in one of Hitchens' books.

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Posted - 11/18/2010 :  08:32:28   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Dave W.

Dembski: "buy my book!"

Geez, he's just going through a litany of creationist talking points.

Every bit of which has been explained. Move along, folks; nothing to see here.




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"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres


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Dr. Mabuse
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Posted - 11/18/2010 :  08:32:55   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Dr. Mabuse an ICQ Message Send Dr. Mabuse a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I'd love to see this video annotated.
Just popped in to see what it was all about, and found Dembski ranting half-truths about junk-DNA, the Cambrian explosion, and the light sensitivity of the eye.
It sounded mostly like a Gish-gallop to me.


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Posted - 11/18/2010 :  08:34:25   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I'm enjoying his attacks on atheists in general and Hitchins in particular.




"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)

"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres


"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude

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and Crypto-Communist!

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Dave W.
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Posted - 11/18/2010 :  08:34:25   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Boom! Dembski just laid out the dichotomy: either it's evolution or God. So much for ID.

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Dave W.
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Posted - 11/18/2010 :  08:39:36   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Dembski defines ID: "The study of patterns in nature that are best explained by intelligence."

Well then, before ID can get started, they'll have to demonstrate that there are any "patterns in nature that are best explained by intelligence."

I really enjoy how he's shooting himself in the foot like that.

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Posted - 11/18/2010 :  08:52:13   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Well, the "pause" button on the stream doesn't actually pause.

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Posted - 11/18/2010 :  09:05:05   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Dembski's "rebuttal" only directly addressed what Hitch said for a few minutes (and missed Hitch's points every time), then Dembski was back to reading a prepared speech.

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Posted - 11/18/2010 :  09:09:57   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send TG a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Fittingly, my feed has frozen with Dembski staring at his prepared speech.

"Oh, and please buy my book"
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