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Robb
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Posted - 01/29/2011 :  11:29:51   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Robb a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by H. Humbert

Originally posted by Robb
I think he means good = sinless.
That wouldn't make sense, though, would it? Only Jesus was sinless. So who are these "good people" that do not need to be saved? All I can think is that he means those who have already found Christ, making his statement a bit of a redundancy. "Good people" don't need to be saved because they already are, where the totality of being a "good person" here is simply holding a belief in a preposterous messiah myth.


The point is that God does not need to save sinless (good) people. He saves only sinful (bad) people. The bible teaches that there are no good people, we all have sinned and need forgiveness.

If Friel seems to be saying that there are good people then he is not getting his point across very well. He does not teach that. Joel Olstean does but not Friel or the bible.

Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. - George Washington
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Dr. Mabuse
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Sweden
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Posted - 01/29/2011 :  15:14:36   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Dr. Mabuse an ICQ Message Send Dr. Mabuse a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I'm getting really bad vibes from that video...

Dr. Mabuse - "When the going gets tough, the tough get Duct-tape..."
Dr. Mabuse whisper.mp3

"Equivocation is not just a job, for a creationist it's a way of life..." Dr. Mabuse

Support American Troops in Iraq:
Send them unarmed civilians for target practice..
Collateralmurder.
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H. Humbert
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Posted - 01/29/2011 :  17:30:38   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send H. Humbert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Robb
The point is that God does not need to save sinless (good) people. He saves only sinful (bad) people. The bible teaches that there are no good people, we all have sinned and need forgiveness.
But then what's the point of making a distinction between "good" and "bad" people if there can be no such thing as a good person by his definition? Isn't it sufficient to just say "people?"

It's like saying "Good people don't have to pay taxes, and by good people I mean anyone who can swallow their own head." It's a non-distinction that never amounts to anything.


"A man is his own easiest dupe, for what he wishes to be true he generally believes to be true." --Demosthenes

"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself - and you are the easiest person to fool." --Richard P. Feynman

"Face facts with dignity." --found inside a fortune cookie
Edited by - H. Humbert on 01/29/2011 17:37:33
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Robb
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Posted - 01/29/2011 :  19:00:41   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Robb a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by H. Humbert

Originally posted by Robb
The point is that God does not need to save sinless (good) people. He saves only sinful (bad) people. The bible teaches that there are no good people, we all have sinned and need forgiveness.
But then what's the point of making a distinction between "good" and "bad" people if there can be no such thing as a good person by his definition? Isn't it sufficient to just say "people?"

It's like saying "Good people don't have to pay taxes, and by good people I mean anyone who can swallow their own head." It's a non-distinction that never amounts to anything.


Not when many people think they are good people. Most people don't think they can swallow their own head.

Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. - George Washington
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H. Humbert
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Posted - 01/29/2011 :  22:59:53   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send H. Humbert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Robb
Not when many people think they are good people.
??? But how would that statement disabuse anyone of the belief that they are good? If you already think you are a good person and you hear "Good people do not need to be saved," then you'd just think to yourself, "Okay, I won't bother then."


"A man is his own easiest dupe, for what he wishes to be true he generally believes to be true." --Demosthenes

"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself - and you are the easiest person to fool." --Richard P. Feynman

"Face facts with dignity." --found inside a fortune cookie
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Robb
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Posted - 01/30/2011 :  15:55:08   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Robb a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by H. Humbert

Originally posted by Robb
Not when many people think they are good people.
??? But how would that statement disabuse anyone of the belief that they are good? If you already think you are a good person and you hear "Good people do not need to be saved," then you'd just think to yourself, "Okay, I won't bother then."


He is talking to people that do not think they are good because they have been abused.

Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. - George Washington
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H. Humbert
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Posted - 01/30/2011 :  17:13:37   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send H. Humbert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Robb
He is talking to people that do not think they are good because they have been abused.
And now we've come full circle. If he tells abuse victims that they need to be saved unlike "good" people (without ever telling them there there is no such thing as a good person), then he's purposefully making this non-distinction in order to foster the misconception abuse-victims have of being dirtier or less-worthy than other people, and he is doing this in order to make abuse victims more malleable for conversion.

Do you find this to be an acceptable practice or not?


"A man is his own easiest dupe, for what he wishes to be true he generally believes to be true." --Demosthenes

"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself - and you are the easiest person to fool." --Richard P. Feynman

"Face facts with dignity." --found inside a fortune cookie
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the_ignored
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Posted - 02/06/2011 :  09:27:25   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send the_ignored a Private Message  Reply with Quote
More fun from Friel, it seems.


>From: enuffenuff@fastmail.fm
(excerpt follows):
> I'm looking to teach these two bastards a lesson they'll never forget.
> Personal visit by mates of mine. No violence, just a wee little chat.
>
> **** has also committed more crimes than you can count with his
> incitement of hatred against a religion. That law came in about 2007
> much to ****'s ignorance. That is fact and his writing will become well
> know as well as him becoming a publicly known icon of hatred.
>
> Good luck with that fuckwit. And Reynold, fucking run, and don't stop.
> Disappear would be best as it was you who dared to attack me on my
> illness knowing nothing of the cause. You disgust me and you are top of
> the list boy. Again, no violence. Just regular reminders of who's there
> and visits to see you are behaving. Nothing scary in reality. But I'd
> still disappear if I was you.

What brought that on? this. Original posting here.

Another example of this guy's lunacy here.
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