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marfknox
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Posted - 12/20/2010 :  19:45:41  Show Profile  Visit marfknox's Homepage  Send marfknox an AOL message Send marfknox a Private Message  Reply with Quote
http://www.examiner.com/humanist-in-national/pope-blames-secular-society-for-clergy-sexually-abusing-children

Pope Benedict XVI told Vatican officials Monday that they must reflect on the church's culpability in its child sex-abuse scandal, but he also blamed a secular society in which he said the mistreatment of children was frighteningly common.


Common compared to what? Is he claiming that child sexual abuse has a correlation with the rise of a secular society? As far as I can find, there is no evidence for that. And even if there were - which, again, there is not - correlation is not causation. What has he to base this crap on? I swear the only people buying this load of crap must be the most die hard Catholics with the blindest of faith.

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H. Humbert
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Posted - 12/20/2010 :  19:55:37   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send H. Humbert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
This was the line in the story that burned me:
Benedict also said, however, that the scandal must be seen in a broader social context, in which child pornography is seemingly considered normal by society and drug use and sexual tourism are on the rise.
In what fucking part of the world is child pornography considered "normal" by society? I guess when your bread and butter consists of convincing people the secular world is evil and corrupt, no accusation is too wild.


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Edited by - H. Humbert on 12/20/2010 19:56:24
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Cuneiformist
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Posted - 12/20/2010 :  20:13:02   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Cuneiformist a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by H. Humbert

This was the line in the story that burned me:
Benedict also said, however, that the scandal must be seen in a broader social context, in which child pornography is seemingly considered normal by society and drug use and sexual tourism are on the rise.
In what fucking part of the world is child pornography considered "normal" by society? I guess when your bread and butter consists of convincing people the secular world is evil and corrupt, no accusation is too wild.
Yeah, that's a bit of some logic slight-of-hand: no one denies that drug use and sexual tourism are on the rise. So preface that with a comment about child porn and normal (but deftly insert a "seemingly" in there so that you have wiggle room if you're called on it) and soon enough, the associations become clear. If the drug use and tourism things are true, then maybe that thing about child porn is, too.

But of course, you're right HH. In no place is child porn becoming "normal."
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the_ignored
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Posted - 12/21/2010 :  08:50:27   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send the_ignored a Private Message  Reply with Quote
What the senile old *****r obviously hasn't figured out is that the singular difference between child predators in the "secular society" and in the church is that the rapists in secular society go to jail when caught as opposed to be protected and shunted around to ply their trade elsewhere.

>From: enuffenuff@fastmail.fm
(excerpt follows):
> I'm looking to teach these two bastards a lesson they'll never forget.
> Personal visit by mates of mine. No violence, just a wee little chat.
>
> **** has also committed more crimes than you can count with his
> incitement of hatred against a religion. That law came in about 2007
> much to ****'s ignorance. That is fact and his writing will become well
> know as well as him becoming a publicly known icon of hatred.
>
> Good luck with that fuckwit. And Reynold, fucking run, and don't stop.
> Disappear would be best as it was you who dared to attack me on my
> illness knowing nothing of the cause. You disgust me and you are top of
> the list boy. Again, no violence. Just regular reminders of who's there
> and visits to see you are behaving. Nothing scary in reality. But I'd
> still disappear if I was you.

What brought that on? this. Original posting here.

Another example of this guy's lunacy here.
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Hawks
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Posted - 01/19/2011 :  10:12:28   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Hawks's Homepage Send Hawks a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Is anyone really surprised?

A 1997 letter from the Vatican warned Ireland's Catholic bishops not to report all suspected child-abuse cases to police a disclosure that victims' groups described as "the smoking gun" needed to show that the church enforced a worldwide culture of covering up crimes by pedophile priests.

The newly revealed letter, obtained by Irish broadcasters RTE and provided to The Associated Press, documents the Vatican's rejection of a 1996 Irish church initiative to begin helping police identify pedophile priests following Ireland's first wave of publicly disclosed lawsuits.

The letter undermines persistent Vatican claims, particularly when seeking to defend itself in U.S. lawsuits, that Rome never instructed local bishops to withhold evidence or suspicion of crimes from police.


Pedophilia, cover-ups and lies. But at least they're moral...

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Azrael
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Posted - 02/02/2011 :  15:45:28   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Azrael a Private Message  Reply with Quote
The RCC does not have the guts to punish their own for crimes against children so they blame on it something else.
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alienist
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Posted - 02/02/2011 :  16:28:01   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send alienist a Private Message  Reply with Quote
There is hypocricy in the RCC? I'm shocked

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filthy
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Posted - 02/02/2011 :  17:16:06   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message  Reply with Quote







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sailingsoul
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Posted - 02/03/2011 :  15:20:01   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send sailingsoul a Private Message  Reply with Quote
As sick as this sounds. The above pic should have babies with bloody butts being swepted under that rug. That's what He's covering up and that would be closer to the truth, than just dirt. SS

There are only two types of religious people, the deceivers and the deceived. SS
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sailingsoul
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Posted - 02/03/2011 :  15:46:56   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send sailingsoul a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Azrael

The RCC does not have the guts to punish their own for crimes against children so they blame on it something else.

It's not a lack of guts that is their problem. It's the involvement of the RCC leadership, from the Pope on down, who are complicit in the cover up and are guilty of being "accessory after the fact", in protecting these child rapist, by not reporting this to the authorities. Their also guilty of aiding and abetting by moving the rapist to other churches, other countries. They are even sheltering at least one I've heard about where he is safe from extradition, in the Vatican city itself. If I hadn't stopped being a catholic before this, I could never be apart of such a organization after this came convincing to light. SS

And welcome to the SFN, Azreal.

There are only two types of religious people, the deceivers and the deceived. SS
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chefcrsh
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Posted - 02/03/2011 :  20:26:25   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send chefcrsh a Private Message  Reply with Quote
For those with time and who want to know more in detail of this ongoing scandal, I highly recommend one of the most detailed investigations on the matter, the Philadelphia Grand Jury 3 year investigation of the cases in the Archdiocese of Philly. If the information on theses selected cases were not damning enough, the grand jury also investigated claims from around the country to corroborate widespread abuse and institutional coverup. This is a very important work of secular investigation, and is as good a legal report on religious bad behavior as is the Kitzmiller decision was to the subject of ID.

http://www.philadelphiadistrictattorney.com/images/Grand_Jury_Report.pdf

Despite the dimensions and depth of the sex abuse scandal, this Grand Jury was not conducting an investigation of the Catholic religion or the Catholic Church. Many of us are Catholic. We have the greatest respect for the faith, and for the good works of the Church. But the moral principles on which it is based, as well as the rules of civil law under which we operate, demanded that the truth be told.


You can find a linked segmented version here.

http://www.bishop-accountability.org/pa_philadelphia/Philly_GJ_report.htm
Edited by - chefcrsh on 02/03/2011 20:42:05
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filthy
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Posted - 02/04/2011 :  04:01:06   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by sailingsoul

As sick as this sounds. The above pic should have babies with bloody butts being swepted under that rug. That's what He's covering up and that would be closer to the truth, than just dirt. SS
In fact, that's what I thought it was.




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Azrael
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Posted - 02/05/2011 :  18:52:03   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Azrael a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by sailingsoul

As sick as this sounds. The above pic should have babies with bloody butts being swepted under that rug. That's what He's covering up and that would be closer to the truth, than just dirt. SS


Now thats sick.....
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