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The Rat
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Canada
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Posted - 04/28/2011 :  07:06:44  Show Profile  Visit The Rat's Homepage Send The Rat a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I just got this notification from President Obama's facebook page:

Michelle and I extend our deepest condolences to the families of those who lost their lives because of the tornadoes that have swept through Alabama and the southeastern U.S. Our hearts go out to all those who have been affected by this devastation, and we commend the heroic efforts of those who have been working tirelessly to respond to this disaster.


Interesting, for the first time in a long time, at least as far as I can recall, there is no reference to praying. Good sign.


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You fiend! Never have I encountered such corrupt and foul-minded perversity! Have you ever considered a career in the Church? - The Bishop of Bath and Wells, Blackadder II

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Ebone4rock
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Posted - 04/28/2011 :  10:45:16   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Ebone4rock a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I am willing to bet that Obama is a closet atheist.

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Bill scott
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USA
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Posted - 04/28/2011 :  11:52:15   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Bill scott a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Ebone4rock

I am willing to bet that Obama is a closet atheist.




Maybe. But with gas sitting at $4.43 and the oil companies announcing yet more record profits, with all the tax cuts for the rich being extended, with all the drone attacks in Pakistan, with the war effort in Afghanistan being ramped up, with a new war front being opened up in Libya, with the extension of the Patriot Act, with the national debt going from 10 to 14 trillion in 2 years time, with black unemployment now sitting at depression type levels, with his approval ratings in the toilet etc... etc... etc... I'd say him being George W. Bush reincarnated would be the much safer bet. I think Obama even channeled GWB and his famous "no magic wand" statement when Obama announced he ain't got no "magic bullet" to bring down gas prices overnight. These guys are so much alike it is scary.

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Dr. Mabuse
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Posted - 04/28/2011 :  14:07:50   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Dr. Mabuse an ICQ Message Send Dr. Mabuse a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Bill scott

Originally posted by Ebone4rock

I am willing to bet that Obama is a closet atheist.


Maybe. But with gas sitting at $4.43 and the oil companies announcing yet more record profits, with all the tax cuts for the rich being extended, with all the drone attacks in Pakistan, with the war effort in Afghanistan being ramped up, with a new war front being opened up in Libya, with the extension of the Patriot Act, with the national debt going from 10 to 14 trillion in 2 years time, with black unemployment now sitting at depression type levels, with his approval ratings in the toilet etc... etc... etc... I'd say him being George W. Bush reincarnated would be the much safer bet. I think Obama even channeled GWB and his famous "no magic wand" statement when Obama announced he ain't got no "magic bullet" to bring down gas prices overnight. These guys are so much alike it is scary.
What does that have to do with him being an atheist?

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Kil
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Posted - 04/28/2011 :  14:36:25   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Kil's Homepage  Send Kil an AOL message  Send Kil a Yahoo! Message Send Kil a Private Message  Reply with Quote
On gas prices, every analysis I've heard is that Obama really doesn't have much ability to control gas prices. That's more of a commodity/opec/oil company and wall street thing. One reason the Republicans are talking about and blaming him it is they now he can't do anything.

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Dude
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Posted - 04/28/2011 :  15:05:59   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Dude a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Congress is to blame for gas prices. There is this law they passed, Commodity Futures Modernization Act, put through by a republican congress and signed into law by Clinton. While it was a republican congress, this bill has deep support from both parties. Only a very small number of our legislators voted no.

The bill allows oil to be traded as a commodity, which is complete and total bullshit, and anyone with two brain cells functioning can see why.

I should also note that this type of trading doesn't increase oil company profits as much as it increases speculative banking profits. Hedge fund managers (the top 25 of whom all made at least a half billion in personal income in 2009) and speculative investment banking are the ones making a killing off the oil, and they own most of our politicians. Just wait till they start dumping money in unlimited quantities into the 2012 presidential campaign. Thats going to be fun to watch.


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alienist
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Posted - 04/28/2011 :  19:17:36   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send alienist a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I have been disappointed with some of Obama's policies but he has never been as bad as George W. He is certainly not trying to give his rich buddies tax breaks. He is also not trying to do away with social security or medicare under the guise of privatizing both.
And dropping some bombs in Libya is not even on the same level as sending lots of troops to Afghanistan and Iraq. George W has set our country so far back.

The following link has a good chart showing what policies have contributed to the deficit
http://scienceblogs.com/dispatches/2011/04/dishonest_use_of_budget_number.php#more

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The Rat
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Posted - 04/28/2011 :  19:53:04   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit The Rat's Homepage Send The Rat a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Dr. MabuseWhat does that have to do with him being an atheist?



Answer his question Bill. Unless it was your intention (more than likely) to drag this off-topic.


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Bill scott
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Posted - 04/29/2011 :  05:30:30   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Bill scott a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by The Rat

Originally posted by Dr. MabuseWhat does that have to do with him being an atheist?



Answer his question Bill. Unless it was your intention (more than likely) to drag this off-topic.




Obama is an atheist?

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Bill scott
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USA
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Posted - 04/29/2011 :  05:33:51   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Bill scott a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse

Originally posted by Bill scott

Originally posted by Ebone4rock

I am willing to bet that Obama is a closet atheist.


Maybe. But with gas sitting at $4.43 and the oil companies announcing yet more record profits, with all the tax cuts for the rich being extended, with all the drone attacks in Pakistan, with the war effort in Afghanistan being ramped up, with a new war front being opened up in Libya, with the extension of the Patriot Act, with the national debt going from 10 to 14 trillion in 2 years time, with black unemployment now sitting at depression type levels, with his approval ratings in the toilet etc... etc... etc... I'd say him being George W. Bush reincarnated would be the much safer bet. I think Obama even channeled GWB and his famous "no magic wand" statement when Obama announced he ain't got no "magic bullet" to bring down gas prices overnight. These guys are so much alike it is scary.
What does that have to do with him being an atheist?





Rather than speculating that Obama is an atheist I was speculating that he is a reincarnation of GWB. It's just a different point of view, you see.

"Lets get one thing clear, Bill. Science does make some assumptions." -perrodetokio-

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The fact that humans do science is what causes errors in science. -Dave W.-

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Bill scott
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Posted - 04/29/2011 :  05:36:15   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Bill scott a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Kil

On gas prices, every analysis I've heard is that Obama really doesn't have much ability to control gas prices. That's more of a commodity/opec/oil company and wall street thing. One reason the Republicans are talking about and blaming him it is they now he can't do anything.


Yep. Samething happened to Bush. And the dems blamed him all day long knowing it was out of his control. Funny how quickly the roles reverse.

"Lets get one thing clear, Bill. Science does make some assumptions." -perrodetokio-

"In the end as skeptics we must realize that there is no real knowledge, there is only what is most reasonable to believe." -Coelacanth-

The fact that humans do science is what causes errors in science. -Dave W.-

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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend

Sweden
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Posted - 04/29/2011 :  05:36:55   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Dr. Mabuse an ICQ Message Send Dr. Mabuse a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Bill scott

Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse

What does that have to do with him being an atheist?
Obama is an atheist?
What does that (rant of yours above) have to do with him possibly being an atheist?

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Bill scott
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Posted - 04/29/2011 :  08:09:41   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Bill scott a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse

Originally posted by Bill scott

Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse

What does that have to do with him being an atheist?
Obama is an atheist?
What does that (rant of yours above) have to do with him possibly being an atheist?




You want me to answer the question again? OK, in response to speculation that Obama was an atheist I simply but forth my speculation that he was GWB reincarnated. Somebody could have speculated that he was a Voodoo Witch Doctor instead and my speculation would have remained the same.

"Lets get one thing clear, Bill. Science does make some assumptions." -perrodetokio-

"In the end as skeptics we must realize that there is no real knowledge, there is only what is most reasonable to believe." -Coelacanth-

The fact that humans do science is what causes errors in science. -Dave W.-

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On fire for Christ
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Posted - 04/29/2011 :  08:48:41   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send On fire for Christ a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Maybe. But if he's GWB reincarnated then he isn't an atheist.

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Bill scott
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Posted - 04/29/2011 :  12:51:22   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Bill scott a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Dude

Congress is to blame for gas prices. There is this law they passed, Commodity Futures Modernization Act, put through by a republican congress and signed into law by Clinton. While it was a republican congress, this bill has deep support from both parties. Only a very small number of our legislators voted no.

The bill allows oil to be traded as a commodity, which is complete and total bullshit, and anyone with two brain cells functioning can see why.

I should also note that this type of trading doesn't increase oil company profits as much as it increases speculative banking profits. Hedge fund managers (the top 25 of whom all made at least a half billion in personal income in 2009) and speculative investment banking are the ones making a killing off the oil, and they own most of our politicians. Just wait till they start dumping money in unlimited quantities into the 2012 presidential campaign. Thats going to be fun to watch.




Go Bernie!

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"Lets get one thing clear, Bill. Science does make some assumptions." -perrodetokio-

"In the end as skeptics we must realize that there is no real knowledge, there is only what is most reasonable to believe." -Coelacanth-

The fact that humans do science is what causes errors in science. -Dave W.-

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Baxter
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USA
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Posted - 05/04/2011 :  12:46:31   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Baxter a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by The Rat

I just got this notification from President Obama's facebook page:
Michelle and I extend our deepest condolences to the families of those who lost their lives because of the tornadoes that have swept through Alabama and the southeastern U.S. Our hearts go out to all those who have been affected by this devastation, and we commend the heroic efforts of those who have been working tirelessly to respond to this disaster.
Interesting, for the first time in a long time, at least as far as I can recall, there is no reference to praying. Good sign.
Thanks for sharing, yes indeed that is a good sign. I've been wanting to see this omission for a while. Hopefully there's more to come.

"We tend to scoff at the beliefs of the ancients. But we can't scoff at them personally, to their faces, and this is what annoys me." ~from Deep Thoughts by Jack Handey

"We can be as honest as we are ignorant. If we are, when asked what is beyond the horizon of the known, we must say that we do not know." ~Robert G. Ingersoll
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